Simon Phipps wrote:

> For governance, we need a rational set of top-level groups with which  
> the OGB can communicate. They need to be our "existing" top-level  
> groups - ON, SFW, ARC, Advocacy etc. There need to be enough of them  
> so that the "soup" is distributed across them without large  
> concentrations under a single top-level group, and few enough to make  
> regular reporting feasible. They can slowly change as the community  
> slowly evolves.

None of those are 'umbrella' groups in the sense that you seem to be 
suggesting.  They may be large and/or important groups in their own 
right, but they do not have subservient groups reporting to them.  You 
seem to be suggesting that we have some sort of hierarchical 
organisation - that would appear to be a radical departure from the 
current setup, and I'm not at all clear how we would get to there from 
where we are now.

>> If we are drawing lines around what we are doing today, we are doing
>> user groups, consolidations, Projects as well as various forms of
>> SIG/mailing lists.  Forcing them all into a single "Group" umbrella
>> seems counterproductive...

Umm, I don't think that is what is being suggested.  We are talking 
about categorising the different types of collectives, not enforcing a 
hierarchy.  Think of it as a labelling exercise rather than a 
hierarchical reorg.

> I'm not proposing using "Group" as the structural umbrella; we need a  
> number (15-ish) of top level Groups for that.

Why do we need a hierarchy?

> - "Group" is the class we are instantiating.
> - For governance purposes, the OGB will instantiate a set of top-level  
> Groups. Those Groups will organise whichever other Groups they need to  
> function, and so on.
> - For operational purposes, all Groups can relate to whichever other  
> Groups make sense.
> - For website purposes, Groups can be listed in the sets that make the  
> most sense for each page of the site. So your use case below can be  
> accommodated.

That all seems a little vague to me, at least.  Who gets to decide what, 
and when it has to be decided by?

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Alan Burlison
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