"Garrett D'Amore" <gdamore at opensolaris.org> wrote:
> > Ubuntu et al are all creating distros from a project called "Linux",
> > we and Sun are all creating distros from a project called "OpenSolaris".
> >
>
> Linux is a kernel project (only). The other bits, are taken and
> coalesced to make a distribution. Trying to cast the entire basis of
> Ubuntu or RedHat as derived from a single Linux project is, IMO, not
> really understanding how the Linux pieces fit together. There are
> multiple projects, many of which have little to do with each other,
> which make the various Linux distributions.
You currently cannot make an entire distribution just from the OpenSolaris bits
too.
> > If Sun follows the example of Ubuntu and other Linux distros, we had no
> > problem.
> > Let Sun just create their trademark from their OpenSolaris distro, but
> > don't
> > let them call it "OpenSolaris" as no Linux distro is called "Linux".
> >
>
> Again, Linux is *only* a kernel. Everything else is taken from other
> FOSS projects.
Ans OpenSolaris is "only" a base OS.....
> Btw, this whole debate over the name has, IMO, become rather tiresome.
> I am doubtful that what has already been done is going to change -- the
> community can register their displeasure, but once that is done, is
> there any real point of the continuing debate? Apart from basically
> alienating one group or another?
If I did treat some people like trolls, I did stop responding and this is why
I of course reply.
> Likewise the public flamage of either individual Sun employees or of Sun
> as a corporate entity seems less than helpful. It certainly doesn't
I did not write any flames. What is your point?
> make me (as a Sun employee) feel inclined to increase my participation
> in OpenSolaris. If anything, the effect is rather the opposite. I want
> to be a proponent of open development, and community involvement within
> Sun (and my group in particular), but I will point out that the current
> climate of anti-Sun sentiment makes it a lot harder for me to be an
I am not sure whether you got it, but several people from the community have
the impression that there is some anti-community feeling from inside Sun towards
the people outside Sun who are not payed by Sun for what they are doing.
> effective proponent to the continued opening up of the activities of my
> group. I suspect that others in the company are feeling the same way.
> (Right now, to be quite honest, some in this community sound like
> spoiled children -- they've been given a lot of great stuff, but when
> they don't get their way on one particular issue, they lash out.)
There was a promise about what OpenSolaris should become and about what it
shouldn't made in September 2004. I would not try to explain what's going
wrong if I had the impression that this promise from 2004 is really the
current goal.
> Can we please stop arguing, flaming, bashing, and get back to the
> business of creating great software?
I am arguing, but not flaming or bashing. I spend a lot of free time on
OpenSolaris and I like to know for what I am doing all this. I am helping the
OpenSolaris project because I still believe the promises from 2004. I need to
know whether OpenSolaris is intended to be a house in construction that I can
help building or whether it makes just sense to use it as quarry/stone pit for
other OpenSource projects.
> I'll go crawl back under my rock now. Let me know when the dust has
> settled and it is safe to come back out in the open....
Looks like someone in your vicinity already uses OpenSolaris as stone pit,
so beware of the dust ;-)
J?rg
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