On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Garrett D'Amore <gdamore at opensolaris.org> wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > "Shawn Walker" <swalker at opensolaris.org> wrote: > > > > > >> On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Joerg Schilling > >> > > > > > >>> This is why the OpenSolaris cummunity proposed Sun to use a new > trademark for > >>> an OpenSolaris based distro. > >>> > >> *watches point fly by responder* > >> > >> Let's try this again. > >> > >> Canonical controls the Ubuntu trademark *and the community* that > >> surrounds their distribution. > >> > >> RedHat controls the Fedora trademark *and the community* that > >> surrounds their distribution. > >> > > > > If you did really understand the problem, why do you still tell people > that you > > disagree? > > > > Ubuntu et al are all creating distros from a project called "Linux", > > we and Sun are all creating distros from a project called "OpenSolaris". > > > > Linux is a kernel project (only). The other bits, are taken and > coalesced to make a distribution. Trying to cast the entire basis of > Ubuntu or RedHat as derived from a single Linux project is, IMO, not > really understanding how the Linux pieces fit together. There are > multiple projects, many of which have little to do with each other, > which make the various Linux distributions. > > > > If Sun follows the example of Ubuntu and other Linux distros, we had no > problem. > > Let Sun just create their trademark from their OpenSolaris distro, but > don't > > let them call it "OpenSolaris" as no Linux distro is called "Linux". > > > > Again, Linux is *only* a kernel. Everything else is taken from other > FOSS projects. > > I'm not sure there is much real merit in comparing Linux distributions > to OpenSolaris. > > Btw, this whole debate over the name has, IMO, become rather tiresome. > I am doubtful that what has already been done is going to change -- the > community can register their displeasure, but once that is done, is > there any real point of the continuing debate? Apart from basically > alienating one group or another? > > Likewise the public flamage of either individual Sun employees or of Sun > as a corporate entity seems less than helpful. It certainly doesn't > make me (as a Sun employee) feel inclined to increase my participation > in OpenSolaris. If anything, the effect is rather the opposite. I want > to be a proponent of open development, and community involvement within > Sun (and my group in particular), but I will point out that the current > climate of anti-Sun sentiment makes it a lot harder for me to be an > effective proponent to the continued opening up of the activities of my > group. I suspect that others in the company are feeling the same way. > (Right now, to be quite honest, some in this community sound like > spoiled children -- they've been given a lot of great stuff, but when > they don't get their way on one particular issue, they lash out.) > > Can we please stop arguing, flaming, bashing, and get back to the > business of creating great software? > > I'll go crawl back under my rock now. Let me know when the dust has > settled and it is safe to come back out in the open.... > > -- Garrett
I'd like to take this opportunity to apologize if my comments and actions seem anti-Sun. I'm not anti-Sun, or anti-Sun employee. Like any other organization Sun has good and bad parts. The proposal on d.o.o is not intended to disenfranchise Sun employees, I agree that the original took things a little too far, but my amendments to it are an attempt ( failed, evidently ) to come to an amicable compromise that would allow people to serve if they've got conflicting interests, while still protecting the community. The recent naming debacle resulted in no action from the OGB, and it was my intent to remove them from having to choose between their employer and the community they serve. This is again not to blame Sun the entity or the majority of her employees for the slight against the community. The faction within Sun that is to blame is what I was hoping the OGB would protect us against, as that is what I envision their job to be. I'm not that I can state my position more clearly than that I am not anti-Sun, I am pro-community. If, like as in recently, the two end up on opposing sides I will not hesitate to fight for the side I have chosen, though it may appear anti-Sun it is not. -- PGP Public Key 0x437AF1A1 Available on hkp://pgp.mit.edu
