Garrett D'Amore wrote:
> Martin Bochnig wrote:
>> nameRemoved wrote:
>>  
>>> what can we do to help you? any address we can send money via western
>>> union for example?
>>>
>>> nameRemoved
>>>
>>>   
>> Anybody who silently ignores this posting is actively supporting such 
>> methods. One can be active by being too passive sometimes.
>>   
>
> I find that last statement rather offensive.

Really?
I didn't directly mean you, btw.

>
> I'm not sure how you came to whatever your financial difficulties are.

Very simple: Because I tried to do something good.
I ended up in FOX being an unpaid fulltime-employment. Not difficult, 
but complex and time-hungry.
That's why I neglected pretty much everything else.

>
> I'm not sure why you felt you'd automatically be given a sponsorship 
> or a job.  

That would have been the (nowadays dysfunctional) law of "going the 
extra mile" first. The reward would then come automatically. Here 
"reward" stands for "some most basic funding".

> I certainly never saw any kind of posting from you requesting 
> employment or sponsorship until today.  

That's funny. Maybe you never read one?

> And the way have handled this, I certainly am not inclined to suggest 
> that anyone in particular should hire you, 

I had asked for years in a more appropriate form. It didn't work either.

> regardless of your technical contributions to the project.
>
> To anyone else who is lurking here, expecting that contributions here 
> lead to automatic employment, I'd say "uh, get a clue".  If you want a 
> job, you have to interview, and ask for a job.  Contributions to open 
> source projects (whether this one or others) are a good way to 
> establish that you have some technical ability, and to help get 
> contacts in the community, which may ultimately lead to employment -- 
> but they don't equate to employment.
>
> At the end of the day, if you're spending your time here *instead* of 
> getting a job, then you're doing both the community and yourself a 
> disservice.  

I didn't actually "choose" that way. It proved to be the only approach 
that allowed me to technically get certain things done as soon as 
somehow possible. I thought somebody might see what I'm doing and might 
help me out if the trouble around me might go out of control.
But that was an illusion.
And besides: I have asked everybody from Sun that I have ever had 
contact with whether there was an opening. Including the more famous 
names (otherwise posting to OGB-discuss from time to time).
In private, face-to-face.

> If you think one or more of the participants in this community should 
> hire you, then by all means, *seek them out* actively.

???

>
> Making your participation in the community dependent upon sponsorship 
> or on getting a job is rather disingenuous.

I'm sorry. You most certainly never experienced it yourself. But you 
need whatever financial stream. If you don't get that you have to make 
as much loans as you can to try to survive. I'm not talking about 
driving ski in St.Moritz, having a jet and two Ferrari's. I'm talking 
about not having to go into jail for the unpaid bills that you have.

> (Yes, I know a lot of us here are employed by a particular 3-letter 
> company.  But I hope that most of the active ones are also here 
> because they *choose* to be here, not just because it is a job.  I 
> know that's true for me!)
>
>    -- Garrett
>



Ha ha ha, how funny: I also went here because I had *chosen* it, not to 
become rich.


Martin

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