Quoting Samuel Klein <meta...@gmail.com>: > Thanks, Richard - I should have added ol-d to the thread as well. OL > has come up a few times in the recent discussion as an example of a > project aligned with such a citation index; as a core use case -- data > source and reusre -- or more. > > What is the most ambitious version of OL's scope? Could it include > every citable source (the Wayback Machine would make an interesting > special collection, in that case, and a fascinating thesis on > classification), or is it limited to works one would find catalogued > in a traditional library?
OL currently limits itself to books -- single or multi-volume monographs. As for the question of a single, universal citation database... I'll answer that on the LLD list: public-...@w3.org, and will cc ol-discuss. kc > > SJ > > On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:36 AM, Richard Light > <rich...@light.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> >> Forwarding as requested ... >> >> Richard >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Jodi Schneider <jschnei...@pobox.com> >> To: public-lld <public-...@w3.org>, Code for Libraries >> <code4...@listserv.nd.edu> >> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:24:25 +0100 >> Subject: "universal citation index" >> There've been some interesting discussions on Wiki-research-l about >> citations lately, including a post today about using a centralized, semantic >> wiki as a repository for all the world's citations, using infobox-based >> citation templates, and expressing "cited by" relationships as backlinks. >> For LLD, "open metadata repository" is a nice use case (perhaps bringing >> indexing and abstracting back in style!); for Code4Lib, there may be some >> synergy with past projects, and note the mention of UPEI's k4all. >> Beyond what's below, if you want to follow the other recent conversations, >> see the thread "Fwd: modern foundations of scientific consensus thread" >> from June [1] (one late post in July [2] by Daniel Mietchen) as well as 4 >> posts yesterday/today. >> -Jodi >> http://jodischneider.com/ >> PS-If someone could share with an appropriate OpenLibrary list I'd be >> grateful! >> >> [1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wiki-research-l/2010-June/thread.html >> [2] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wiki-research-l/2010-July/thread.html >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: Brian J Mingus <brian.min...@colorado.edu> >> Date: 19 July 2010 21:20:15 GMT+01:00 >> To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities >> <wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org> >> Cc: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org> >> Subject: [Wiki-research-l] WikiCite - new WMF project? Was: UPEI's proposal >> for a "universal citation index" >> Reply-To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities >> <wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org> >> >> I have been working with Sam and others for some time now on brainstorming a >> proposal for the Foundation to create a centralized wiki of citations, a >> WikiCite so to speak, if that is not the eventual name. My plan is to >> continue to discuss with folks who are knowledgeable and interested in such >> a project and to have the feedback I receive go into the proposal which I >> hope to write this summer. The proposal white paper will then be sent around >> to interested parties for corrections and feedback, including on-wiki and >> mailing lists, before eventually landing at the Foundation officially. As we >> know WMF has not started a new project in some years, so there is no >> official process. Thus I find it important to get it right. >> The basic idea is a centralized wiki that contains citation information that >> other MediaWikis and WMF projects can then reference using something like a >> {{cite}} template or a simple link. The community can document the citation, >> the author, the book etc.. and, in one idealization, all citations across >> all wikis would point to the same article on WikiCite. Users can use this >> wiki as their personal bibliography as well, as collections of citations can >> be exported in arbitrary citation formats. This general plan would allow >> community aggregation of metadata and community documentation of sources >> along arbitrary dimensions (quality, trust, reliability, etc.). The hope is >> that such a resource would then expand on that wiki and across the projects >> into summarizations of collections of sources (lit reviews) that >> make navigating entire fields of literature easier and more >> reliable, getting you out of the trap of not being aware of the global >> context that a particular source sits in. >> To give all a more concrete view, here is an example from some software that >> I have implemented in our lab called WikiPapers. Please take note that while >> this is a scientific literature example, the idea is general to *all >> publications ever*. Also, while I have implemented a feature-full version of >> a WikiCite, it's important to point out that for the WMF project we will >> need a new extension that handles the needs of the project exactly, and in >> PHP (I use Python :). >> The name of the wiki article is a unique key that is a combination of the >> author names and the year, in the following format: >> Author1Author2Author3EtAl10b. This works for scientific articles, but we may >> find we need to modify the key for other kinds of sources. The content of >> the wiki article is composed of an infobox constructed via the Citation >> template, and any other text and media the community determines it is useful >> and legal to include in the article. Example article: >> Screenshot of how this infobox renders on our >> wiki: http://grey.colorado.edu/mediawiki/sites/mingus/images/0/0e/KangHsuKrajbichEtAl10_infobox.png >> Title: KangHsuKrajbichEtAl09 >> {{Citation >> |publisher=SAGE Publications >> |dateadded=2010-07-17 >> |author=Kang M.J. and Hsu M. and Krajbich I.M. and Loewenstein G. and >> McClure S.M. and Wang J.T. and Camerer C.F. >> |url=http://pss.sagepub.com/content/20/8/963.full >> |abstract=Curiosity has been described as a desire for learning and >> knowledge, but its underlying mechanisms are not well understood. We scanned >> subjects with functional magnetic resonance imaging while they read trivia >> questions. The level of curiosity when reading questions was correlated with >> activity in caudate regions previously suggested to be involved in >> anticipated reward. This finding led to a behavioral study, which showed >> that subjects spent more scarce resources (either limited tokens or waiting >> time) to find out answers when they were more curious. The functional >> imaging also showed that curiosity increased activity in memory areas when >> subjects guessed incorrectly, which suggests that curiosity may enhance >> memory for surprising new information. This prediction about memory >> enhancement was confirmed in a behavioral study: Higher curiosity in an >> initial session was correlated with better recall of surprising answers 1 to >> 2 weeks later. >> |title=The Wick in the Candle of Learning >> |bibtex type=article >> |number=8 >> |volume=20 >> |owner=Sethherd >> |journal=Psychological Science >> |year=2009 >> |cites=O'ReillyFrank06,Cowan95,Wise04,Fuster80,Panksepp98,KakadeDayan02b,DelgadoLockeStengerEtAl03,BrewerZhaoDesmondEtAl98,DelgadoNystromFiez00,Beatty82,Baddeley92,Waanabe96,Roland93lm,DelgadoNystromFissellEtAl00,WagnerSchacterRotteEtAl98,SeymourDawDayanEtAl07,ODoherty04,BandettiniMoonen99,ODohertyDayanFristonEtAl03,RogersOwenRobbins99,KnutsonWestdorpKaiserEtAl00,CircuitryMemory,OReillyFrank06,Watanabe96a,BrewerZhaoGabrieli98,WagnerSchacterBuckner98,RogersOwenMiddletonEtAl99,Baddeley86,Watanabe96,Rolls96a,PallerWagner02 >> |cited_by=Author1Author2Author3EtAl10,etc... >> |pages=963 >> }} >> Then, any other WMF wiki, or any other MediaWiki, could cite this universal >> entry by simply typing {{cite|KangHsuKrajbichEtAl09}} >> Additionally, if a technology such as Semantic MediaWiki is used (as it is >> in WikiPapers), arbitrary lists of collections of literature can be >> generated by constructing simple queries that are boolean combinations of >> template properties. Given that SMW does not scale well, I have a plan that >> uses Lucene instead for fast, scalable dynamic generation of collections of >> citations. Imagine the possibilities.. >> Feel free to provide your feedback on this idea, in addition to your own >> ideas, in this thread, or to me personally. I am especially interested in >> the potential benefits to the WMF projects that you see, and to hear your >> thoughts on the potential of this project on its own, as that will feature >> prominently in the proposal. Additionally, what do you think WikiCite would >> eventually be like, once it is fully matured? >> Brian Mingus >> Graduate Student >> Computational Cognitive Neuroscience Lab >> University of Colorado at Boulder >> >> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:22 AM, phoebe ayers <phoebe.w...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> There have been a number of proposals floated in the Wikimedia >>> community over the years to build a wiki-based project for collecting >>> journal citation information. For those interested in that topic, you >>> might want to check out the University of Prince Edward Island's >>> "knowledge for all" project proposal -- it proposes to build an open >>> universal citation index (to serve as an alternative to the many >>> hundreds of proprietary citation index products that libraries >>> currently buy). This of course is not the first attempt at this >>> problem, but it's an interesting proposal that's getting a bit of buzz >>> in the library community. >>> http://library.upei.ca/k4all >>> >>> -- phoebe >>> >>> -- >>> * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers >>> <at> gmail.com * >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>> wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >> wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3016 - Release Date: 07/19/10 >> 19:36:00 >> >> >> -- >> Richard Light >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ol-discuss mailing list >> Ol-discuss@archive.org >> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >> ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org >> >> > > > > -- > Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj > _______________________________________________ > Ol-discuss mailing list > Ol-discuss@archive.org > http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to > ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org > -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet _______________________________________________ Ol-discuss mailing list Ol-discuss@archive.org http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org
