Hi, >From the experience of OpenMandriva, the best way to work or jump in any part of the project is to submit a "patch". :) To reword symbianflo, viewing the "code" is the most efficient. It's suitable with development, but also totally suitable with any part of the project, like crowdfunding campaings, At one moment we have to start producing something, not just discuss about the idea of producing something. But everything is improvable. Any proposal of improvement is more than welcome as long as there is concrete material to work on, and if it's obvious that it's a great improvement, there is never no reason not to accept the "patch". Of course, if this one is too big, and the deadline too short, it may be delayed.
Ideas, suggestions and concepts may be good, and, as a matter of fact, in this case seems excellent, but we can only work on concrete material, or else, it mainly provokes energy dispersion, or worst, demotivation, which is the opposite of the goals targeted. I agree that ARM market is where we need to go also, especially if it helps us earning money in an accessible market. I don't think we have to abandon the desktop market, because it's also where we like to be too. 2014-12-25 1:54 GMT+01:00 Robert Xu <[email protected]>: > So - I was leaning toward now instead of January because I believed > that people would be more willing to give, especially as it's the > holiday season. January is not really the holiday season anymore, and > I kind of agree with Per Oyvind about the real need for an incentive. > Earlier in December this campaign would have been fine, but now seems > like we're going to run into issues promoting this. > > Remember, campaigns like these can either bring good publicity or > negative criticism, on both extremes. > > He mentioned some points: > > > * Get a source of revenue, relying on good will towards what's often and > for periods has had the image of an ogre is not where you'll be making your > money in such a situation. > > If there's any way to promote sponsors on our website, that would > probably be good. > > > ** You need to look at where and how to differentiate and set you apart, > not being just another boring distro that might look good, yet no less > boring than the competition, nor is much more else offered as to what makes > it special but worse QA and poorer package selection. > > This is what I personally am still having trouble figuring out. We > need to set this straight for 2015.0, or else we risk falling further > into obscurity. > > As for these two points: > > > ** The Linux Destop as a commercial product is no longer viable in the > form as it once was, pushing out new releases and just automatically assume > and expect for things to be great is really more of a underpanty gnomes > businiss model.. > > > >*** For the ARM market OTOH there's still a lot to conquer as due to the > proprietary nature of libraries etc. that they rely on and needs proper > integration per board family rather than getting it for free from upstream > (ie. here there's finally some new ground with no big dominating players, > making it rather easy to penetrate and increase popularity/adoption). Not a > single ARM release AFAIK has been released, the only board that got > introduced support for recently was for the Wandboard Quad and done by me. > Just building an ARM package repository, but not providing any releases > that they would be used for doesn't really get us anywhere nor allows us to > show off it's quality. > > I don't have any opinions on, but they bear merit thinking about. > > On 24 December 2014 at 03:14, Per Øyvind Karlsen <[email protected]> > wrote: > > 2014-12-23 23:56 GMT+01:00 Kate Lebedeff <[email protected]>: > >> > >> Hi all > >> > >> A quick Loomio for date of the campaign shows that majority votes to > >> start in the beginning of January. > >> > >> Those who speak more than 1 language, please check out Transifex to get > >> the text of the campaign translated. > >> > >> Please think of your local press resources, in your language, which > could > >> be interested in telling our story, if you submit the text of the > campaign, > >> they can place a story with the link about us, this is quite often > practice > >> and will help a lot. > >> > >> I will call again for this in the first days of January, but if you will > >> be bored during some minutes of the holidays, please recall this:) > >> > >> We should be prepared with translations and contacts in local press > before > >> the campaign starts. > >> > >> Let's play it well:) > >> > >> Texts you can find here: > http://www.indiegogo.com/project/preview/41b19ffb > >> > >> Big thanks to all and happy holidays if you have them:) > > > > I don't mean to be a dick or negative or anything, but as I pointed out > and > > stressed expressing was that in order for such a campaign to have much > > success, you need a real incentive for people that's not die-hard fans > and > > for those to sponsor the project beyond such motivations as well. > > From reading the indiegogo site, I don't really see much of this, and as > > currently and sadly enough stands, I can't imagine the huge amount of > > goodwill towards a project which has been virtually dead to people for > > several years, with the following years rather appaling controversies > > together with a dwindling amount of developers, development, R&D, > leadership > > and popularity has dropped to an all-time low for the distributions > released > > since 2011. > > > > I made some suggestions earlier on how, some people were quite positive > > towards them, yet I don't see much if any of such.. > > If I had the motivation and the excessively good will I once had, I'd be > > sure to come up with more ideas and go a little bit further by even > > implementing them.. > > > > For supporting OMV as a distribution based on it's quality, I last year > (or > > the year before:p) actually rather bougth a Mageia usb distro key in > > stead... > > > > Sorry for being overly blunt and probably thread on a lot of feets, > > especially amongst those with less than >5 years of involvement and > > experience in this field, but if you wanna succeed you need some tough > love: > > * Really get your act together as a project, it needs to managed and some > > sense of leadership, not just a bunch of people for which contributions > are > > highly sporadic, yet their say in matters remains the same even if their > > relevance to the project is nil > > > > * Get a source of revenue, relying on good will towards what's often and > for > > periods has had the image of an ogre is not where you'll be making your > > money in such a situation. > > > > ** The Linux Destop as a commercial product is no longer viable in the > form > > as it once was, pushing out new releases and just automatically assume > and > > expect for things to be great is really more of a underpanty gnomes > businiss > > model.. > > > > *** For the ARM market OTOH there's still a lot to conquer as due to the > > proprietary nature of libraries etc. that they rely on and needs proper > > integration per board family rather than getting it for free from > upstream > > (ie. here there's finally some new ground with no big dominating players, > > making it rather easy to penetrate and increase popularity/adoption). > Not a > > single ARM release AFAIK has been released, the only board that got > > introduced support for recently was for the Wandboard Quad and done by > me. > > Just building an ARM package repository, but not providing any releases > that > > they would be used for doesn't really get us anywhere nor allows us to > show > > off it's quality. > > > > ** You need to look at where and how to differentiate and set you apart, > not > > being just another boring distro that might look good, yet no less boring > > than the competition, nor is much more else offered as to what makes it > > special but worse QA and poorer package selection. > > > > I'd write down more and come up with suggestions, ideas, advice and > > potentially features & functionality that could be marketed for ie.. > FOSDEM, > > but while I know that a constantly growing amount of people involved > share > > much of the same feelings and finds them quite frustrating and loosing > > interest as a result, without a sign of good will and neophyte > > know-it-all'ism/pride put aside, all I can say is good luck, you gonna > need > > it. > > > > (For those who dismisses me as a negative troublemaker, you might wanna > try > > get an update about OMA's financial situation and critical issues wrt. to > > support & fund keeping the infrastructure up and running) > > > > Me personally, I won't spend a dime on the current kickstarter as-is, my > > time and money are still far more well spent on my contributions to the > > project anyways... > > > > For the several people who has contacted me in private with their > concerns > > about all the various aspects of organization and project for quite a > while > > now, now would be a good time to step up, otherwise you'll might just > find > > me stepping down again... > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Per Øyvind > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OM-Cooker mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://ml.openmandriva.org/listinfo.cgi/om-cooker-openmandriva.org > > > > -- > cheers, Robert :: github.com/robxu9 > _______________________________________________ > OM-Cooker mailing list > [email protected] > http://ml.openmandriva.org/listinfo.cgi/om-cooker-openmandriva.org
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