Might be, I've started approaching the isssue, I'll keep you updated of any progress. :)
2014-12-27 15:10 GMT+01:00 Raphaël Jadot <[email protected]>: > BTW what is currently doable with ARM and OM? Do you think we can have > some partnership with Wanboard or a related company? > > If yes don't hesitate to tell :) > > 2014-12-27 10:38 GMT+01:00 Kate Lebedeff <[email protected]>: > >> Hi Robert >> >> Your thoughts are more than understandable and the raised topics are >> discussed, for some of them to get to output it takes time, but things are >> running. >> what relates to technical incentives - topics are raised normally during >> TCs. >> >> Regarding sponsors, we have been contacting a number of potential >> sponsors this year, but these talks take a lot of time, so far it did not >> bring money (yes, we can have an option of displaying them on our website, >> nobody objects, but before you get to that point it takes months (if not >> more) of talks.. >> >> Regarding time of the start of the campaign - we brainstormed a lot (the >> topic was open for discussion on the table for few months), end of November >> - before mid December seemed to be best time. Who could know that simplest >> issue taking normally minutes will take weeks? So now we just have to go >> forward. >> >> To sum up, I see your points and concerns, but normally there is a reason >> behind any decision, or the topic is yet open etc etc >> >> Teams do not sleep:) >> >> Thanks for raising topics in any case >> >> Best and Merry Christmas:) >> >> >> On 25Dec, 2014, at 1:54 AM, Robert Xu wrote: >> >> So - I was leaning toward now instead of January because I believed >> that people would be more willing to give, especially as it's the >> holiday season. January is not really the holiday season anymore, and >> I kind of agree with Per Oyvind about the real need for an incentive. >> Earlier in December this campaign would have been fine, but now seems >> like we're going to run into issues promoting this. >> >> Remember, campaigns like these can either bring good publicity or >> negative criticism, on both extremes. >> >> He mentioned some points: >> >> * Get a source of revenue, relying on good will towards what's often and >> for periods has had the image of an ogre is not where you'll be making your >> money in such a situation. >> >> >> If there's any way to promote sponsors on our website, that would >> probably be good. >> >> ** You need to look at where and how to differentiate and set you apart, >> not being just another boring distro that might look good, yet no less >> boring than the competition, nor is much more else offered as to what makes >> it special but worse QA and poorer package selection. >> >> >> This is what I personally am still having trouble figuring out. We >> need to set this straight for 2015.0, or else we risk falling further >> into obscurity. >> >> As for these two points: >> >> ** The Linux Destop as a commercial product is no longer viable in the >> form as it once was, pushing out new releases and just automatically assume >> and expect for things to be great is really more of a underpanty gnomes >> businiss model.. >> >> >> *** For the ARM market OTOH there's still a lot to conquer as due to the >> proprietary nature of libraries etc. that they rely on and needs proper >> integration per board family rather than getting it for free from upstream >> (ie. here there's finally some new ground with no big dominating players, >> making it rather easy to penetrate and increase popularity/adoption). Not a >> single ARM release AFAIK has been released, the only board that got >> introduced support for recently was for the Wandboard Quad and done by me. >> Just building an ARM package repository, but not providing any releases >> that they would be used for doesn't really get us anywhere nor allows us to >> show off it's quality. >> >> >> I don't have any opinions on, but they bear merit thinking about. >> >> On 24 December 2014 at 03:14, Per Øyvind Karlsen <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> 2014-12-23 23:56 GMT+01:00 Kate Lebedeff <[email protected]>: >> >> >> Hi all >> >> >> A quick Loomio for date of the campaign shows that majority votes to >> >> start in the beginning of January. >> >> >> Those who speak more than 1 language, please check out Transifex to get >> >> the text of the campaign translated. >> >> >> Please think of your local press resources, in your language, which could >> >> be interested in telling our story, if you submit the text of the >> campaign, >> >> they can place a story with the link about us, this is quite often >> practice >> >> and will help a lot. >> >> >> I will call again for this in the first days of January, but if you will >> >> be bored during some minutes of the holidays, please recall this:) >> >> >> We should be prepared with translations and contacts in local press before >> >> the campaign starts. >> >> >> Let's play it well:) >> >> >> Texts you can find here: >> http://www.indiegogo.com/project/preview/41b19ffb >> >> >> Big thanks to all and happy holidays if you have them:) >> >> >> I don't mean to be a dick or negative or anything, but as I pointed out >> and >> >> stressed expressing was that in order for such a campaign to have much >> >> success, you need a real incentive for people that's not die-hard fans and >> >> for those to sponsor the project beyond such motivations as well. >> >> From reading the indiegogo site, I don't really see much of this, and as >> >> currently and sadly enough stands, I can't imagine the huge amount of >> >> goodwill towards a project which has been virtually dead to people for >> >> several years, with the following years rather appaling controversies >> >> together with a dwindling amount of developers, development, R&D, >> leadership >> >> and popularity has dropped to an all-time low for the distributions >> released >> >> since 2011. >> >> >> I made some suggestions earlier on how, some people were quite positive >> >> towards them, yet I don't see much if any of such.. >> >> If I had the motivation and the excessively good will I once had, I'd be >> >> sure to come up with more ideas and go a little bit further by even >> >> implementing them.. >> >> >> For supporting OMV as a distribution based on it's quality, I last year >> (or >> >> the year before:p) actually rather bougth a Mageia usb distro key in >> >> stead... >> >> >> Sorry for being overly blunt and probably thread on a lot of feets, >> >> especially amongst those with less than >5 years of involvement and >> >> experience in this field, but if you wanna succeed you need some tough >> love: >> >> * Really get your act together as a project, it needs to managed and some >> >> sense of leadership, not just a bunch of people for which contributions >> are >> >> highly sporadic, yet their say in matters remains the same even if their >> >> relevance to the project is nil >> >> >> * Get a source of revenue, relying on good will towards what's often and >> for >> >> periods has had the image of an ogre is not where you'll be making your >> >> money in such a situation. >> >> >> ** The Linux Destop as a commercial product is no longer viable in the >> form >> >> as it once was, pushing out new releases and just automatically assume and >> >> expect for things to be great is really more of a underpanty gnomes >> businiss >> >> model.. >> >> >> *** For the ARM market OTOH there's still a lot to conquer as due to the >> >> proprietary nature of libraries etc. that they rely on and needs proper >> >> integration per board family rather than getting it for free from upstream >> >> (ie. here there's finally some new ground with no big dominating players, >> >> making it rather easy to penetrate and increase popularity/adoption). Not >> a >> >> single ARM release AFAIK has been released, the only board that got >> >> introduced support for recently was for the Wandboard Quad and done by me. >> >> Just building an ARM package repository, but not providing any releases >> that >> >> they would be used for doesn't really get us anywhere nor allows us to >> show >> >> off it's quality. >> >> >> ** You need to look at where and how to differentiate and set you apart, >> not >> >> being just another boring distro that might look good, yet no less boring >> >> than the competition, nor is much more else offered as to what makes it >> >> special but worse QA and poorer package selection. >> >> >> I'd write down more and come up with suggestions, ideas, advice and >> >> potentially features & functionality that could be marketed for ie.. >> FOSDEM, >> >> but while I know that a constantly growing amount of people involved share >> >> much of the same feelings and finds them quite frustrating and loosing >> >> interest as a result, without a sign of good will and neophyte >> >> know-it-all'ism/pride put aside, all I can say is good luck, you gonna >> need >> >> it. >> >> >> (For those who dismisses me as a negative troublemaker, you might wanna >> try >> >> get an update about OMA's financial situation and critical issues wrt. to >> >> support & fund keeping the infrastructure up and running) >> >> >> Me personally, I won't spend a dime on the current kickstarter as-is, my >> >> time and money are still far more well spent on my contributions to the >> >> project anyways... >> >> >> For the several people who has contacted me in private with their concerns >> >> about all the various aspects of organization and project for quite a >> while >> >> now, now would be a good time to step up, otherwise you'll might just find >> >> me stepping down again... >> >> >> -- >> >> Regards, >> >> Per Øyvind >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> OM-Cooker mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://ml.openmandriva.org/listinfo.cgi/om-cooker-openmandriva.org >> >> >> >> >> -- >> cheers, Robert :: github.com/robxu9 >> _______________________________________________ >> OM-Cooker mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://ml.openmandriva.org/listinfo.cgi/om-cooker-openmandriva.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OM-Cooker mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://ml.openmandriva.org/listinfo.cgi/om-cooker-openmandriva.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > OM-Cooker mailing list > [email protected] > http://ml.openmandriva.org/listinfo.cgi/om-cooker-openmandriva.org >
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