BTW what is currently doable with ARM and OM? Do you think we can have some partnership with Wanboard or a related company?
If yes don't hesitate to tell :) 2014-12-27 10:38 GMT+01:00 Kate Lebedeff <[email protected]>: > Hi Robert > > Your thoughts are more than understandable and the raised topics are > discussed, for some of them to get to output it takes time, but things are > running. > what relates to technical incentives - topics are raised normally during > TCs. > > Regarding sponsors, we have been contacting a number of potential sponsors > this year, but these talks take a lot of time, so far it did not bring > money (yes, we can have an option of displaying them on our website, nobody > objects, but before you get to that point it takes months (if not more) of > talks.. > > Regarding time of the start of the campaign - we brainstormed a lot (the > topic was open for discussion on the table for few months), end of November > - before mid December seemed to be best time. Who could know that simplest > issue taking normally minutes will take weeks? So now we just have to go > forward. > > To sum up, I see your points and concerns, but normally there is a reason > behind any decision, or the topic is yet open etc etc > > Teams do not sleep:) > > Thanks for raising topics in any case > > Best and Merry Christmas:) > > > On 25Dec, 2014, at 1:54 AM, Robert Xu wrote: > > So - I was leaning toward now instead of January because I believed > that people would be more willing to give, especially as it's the > holiday season. January is not really the holiday season anymore, and > I kind of agree with Per Oyvind about the real need for an incentive. > Earlier in December this campaign would have been fine, but now seems > like we're going to run into issues promoting this. > > Remember, campaigns like these can either bring good publicity or > negative criticism, on both extremes. > > He mentioned some points: > > * Get a source of revenue, relying on good will towards what's often and > for periods has had the image of an ogre is not where you'll be making your > money in such a situation. > > > If there's any way to promote sponsors on our website, that would > probably be good. > > ** You need to look at where and how to differentiate and set you apart, > not being just another boring distro that might look good, yet no less > boring than the competition, nor is much more else offered as to what makes > it special but worse QA and poorer package selection. > > > This is what I personally am still having trouble figuring out. We > need to set this straight for 2015.0, or else we risk falling further > into obscurity. > > As for these two points: > > ** The Linux Destop as a commercial product is no longer viable in the > form as it once was, pushing out new releases and just automatically assume > and expect for things to be great is really more of a underpanty gnomes > businiss model.. > > > *** For the ARM market OTOH there's still a lot to conquer as due to the > proprietary nature of libraries etc. that they rely on and needs proper > integration per board family rather than getting it for free from upstream > (ie. here there's finally some new ground with no big dominating players, > making it rather easy to penetrate and increase popularity/adoption). Not a > single ARM release AFAIK has been released, the only board that got > introduced support for recently was for the Wandboard Quad and done by me. > Just building an ARM package repository, but not providing any releases > that they would be used for doesn't really get us anywhere nor allows us to > show off it's quality. > > > I don't have any opinions on, but they bear merit thinking about. > > On 24 December 2014 at 03:14, Per Øyvind Karlsen <[email protected]> > wrote: > > 2014-12-23 23:56 GMT+01:00 Kate Lebedeff <[email protected]>: > > > Hi all > > > A quick Loomio for date of the campaign shows that majority votes to > > start in the beginning of January. > > > Those who speak more than 1 language, please check out Transifex to get > > the text of the campaign translated. > > > Please think of your local press resources, in your language, which could > > be interested in telling our story, if you submit the text of the campaign, > > they can place a story with the link about us, this is quite often practice > > and will help a lot. > > > I will call again for this in the first days of January, but if you will > > be bored during some minutes of the holidays, please recall this:) > > > We should be prepared with translations and contacts in local press before > > the campaign starts. > > > Let's play it well:) > > > Texts you can find here: http://www.indiegogo.com/project/preview/41b19ffb > > > Big thanks to all and happy holidays if you have them:) > > > I don't mean to be a dick or negative or anything, but as I pointed out and > > stressed expressing was that in order for such a campaign to have much > > success, you need a real incentive for people that's not die-hard fans and > > for those to sponsor the project beyond such motivations as well. > > From reading the indiegogo site, I don't really see much of this, and as > > currently and sadly enough stands, I can't imagine the huge amount of > > goodwill towards a project which has been virtually dead to people for > > several years, with the following years rather appaling controversies > > together with a dwindling amount of developers, development, R&D, > leadership > > and popularity has dropped to an all-time low for the distributions > released > > since 2011. > > > I made some suggestions earlier on how, some people were quite positive > > towards them, yet I don't see much if any of such.. > > If I had the motivation and the excessively good will I once had, I'd be > > sure to come up with more ideas and go a little bit further by even > > implementing them.. > > > For supporting OMV as a distribution based on it's quality, I last year (or > > the year before:p) actually rather bougth a Mageia usb distro key in > > stead... > > > Sorry for being overly blunt and probably thread on a lot of feets, > > especially amongst those with less than >5 years of involvement and > > experience in this field, but if you wanna succeed you need some tough > love: > > * Really get your act together as a project, it needs to managed and some > > sense of leadership, not just a bunch of people for which contributions are > > highly sporadic, yet their say in matters remains the same even if their > > relevance to the project is nil > > > * Get a source of revenue, relying on good will towards what's often and > for > > periods has had the image of an ogre is not where you'll be making your > > money in such a situation. > > > ** The Linux Destop as a commercial product is no longer viable in the form > > as it once was, pushing out new releases and just automatically assume and > > expect for things to be great is really more of a underpanty gnomes > businiss > > model.. > > > *** For the ARM market OTOH there's still a lot to conquer as due to the > > proprietary nature of libraries etc. that they rely on and needs proper > > integration per board family rather than getting it for free from upstream > > (ie. here there's finally some new ground with no big dominating players, > > making it rather easy to penetrate and increase popularity/adoption). Not a > > single ARM release AFAIK has been released, the only board that got > > introduced support for recently was for the Wandboard Quad and done by me. > > Just building an ARM package repository, but not providing any releases > that > > they would be used for doesn't really get us anywhere nor allows us to show > > off it's quality. > > > ** You need to look at where and how to differentiate and set you apart, > not > > being just another boring distro that might look good, yet no less boring > > than the competition, nor is much more else offered as to what makes it > > special but worse QA and poorer package selection. > > > I'd write down more and come up with suggestions, ideas, advice and > > potentially features & functionality that could be marketed for ie.. > FOSDEM, > > but while I know that a constantly growing amount of people involved share > > much of the same feelings and finds them quite frustrating and loosing > > interest as a result, without a sign of good will and neophyte > > know-it-all'ism/pride put aside, all I can say is good luck, you gonna need > > it. > > > (For those who dismisses me as a negative troublemaker, you might wanna try > > get an update about OMA's financial situation and critical issues wrt. to > > support & fund keeping the infrastructure up and running) > > > Me personally, I won't spend a dime on the current kickstarter as-is, my > > time and money are still far more well spent on my contributions to the > > project anyways... > > > For the several people who has contacted me in private with their concerns > > about all the various aspects of organization and project for quite a while > > now, now would be a good time to step up, otherwise you'll might just find > > me stepping down again... > > > -- > > Regards, > > Per Øyvind > > > _______________________________________________ > > OM-Cooker mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://ml.openmandriva.org/listinfo.cgi/om-cooker-openmandriva.org > > > > > -- > cheers, Robert :: github.com/robxu9 > _______________________________________________ > OM-Cooker mailing list > [email protected] > http://ml.openmandriva.org/listinfo.cgi/om-cooker-openmandriva.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > OM-Cooker mailing list > [email protected] > http://ml.openmandriva.org/listinfo.cgi/om-cooker-openmandriva.org >
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