2015-01-12 20:10 GMT+01:00 Raphaël Jadot <[email protected]>: > > > 2015-01-12 9:11 GMT+01:00 Per Øyvind Karlsen <[email protected]>: > >> I think it's quite important to have a more recent, less dull and some >> new stuff in a distro release if we're gonna give away usb sticks this year. >> >> I have two things of work on technical stuff in preparation of FOSDEM, >> the first being finalizing the image creating process etc. for the >> Moondrake (yes, not OMV) Wandboard media center, and also isos using the >> classical installer, incorporating all of bug updates, additonal fixes, >> while all work I've done on drakx* tools, urpmi/perl-URPM over the last >> year, and this will be released as Moondrake GNU/Linux also rather than >> OMV. Considering Raphaël has offered for the association to officially >> support the project/distro, >> > > Wow, that was a disussion we had a loong time ago, I almost forgetted :) > About officially "support' I first thought about helping with infra as we > had enough power for an additional server at this time, with the current > situation, it may be much more harder, depending on your needs. Of course, > it was first a private suggestion, that should have been discussed after > inside association, I can't take such decision by myself alone, it's not my > infra :) > Wouldn't be much harder or put much more load for the meager needs as I discussed with Blackcrack. The branding differences are pretty much already part of cooker, with multiple selections available, so no additional server power needed at all really.
> About Moondrake and OMA, that is something different: I don't know what is > the relation with OMLx now, but three cases can be considered: > * It's working in collaboration with current projects of OMA or similar, > considering the work you have done on moondrake, I think it may be > interesting > * It's not working with current projects of OMA, but considered as a > separate project (for any reason that may be good, such as an incompatible > way of managing the project), and wants to be considered as another project > of OMA, it may be also interesting, and still OK with the association > purpose, but maybe harder to manage and explain publicly. > * Both of the two above > > for any of case, I can speak in my own name, and suggest things (for my > part I suggest improving collaboration between the two projects as you are > obviously efficient, workaholic and high skilled on specific topics we may > need - as our current dev/contrib also are -, but on the other side you are > apparently very independant), but yet I can't take such decision by my own, > just suggest and submit. > Well, I'm actively pushing everything back into cooker these days, so there's not really two separate projects even, most work now takes place in same place, namely cooker, as was intended the whole time and that I started on a couple of years ago. So in essence, it's more of just a different flavour (available from same repos), rather than an independent distro. > > >> I antiicipate that people won't be too upset about what I'll prepare in >> time for FOSDEM, for which thanks to Raphaël's personally sposoring my trip >> out of his own pocket >> > > Wow, what an official word for a quick and dirty private proposal :) Well, > it's not that I "sponsor" (I don't necessarily want my name to be cited for > it, and don't do it in the name of OMA), it's that I was in the situation I > could help thanks to a little amount of money I kept and dedicated to OMA > for 2015. And as it was also suggested to me: it's also maybe better to > help a developer to come rather than to come myself. So, as you said you > would reimburse later and as I trust you, I can lend you this money for > FOSDEM. Furthermore, this year it's difficult for me to go there, for > family reasons. And as the next events in France are close to Paris > (Solutions Linux and LSM) then I would not need lot of money for attending > them. More precisely, I kept 200€ for OMA. But if it may help improving > collaboration and quality of OMA projects, I'd certainly be happy. > If it would make it difficult for you to attend FOSDEM related to (beyond family reasons), I should be able to find some funds otherwere. :) I kinda expected your attendence, as I counted on you to help raise and engage discussions, while planning for, given your importance in the matter.. > I suddenly had a doubt about the related discussion, as it was quite > sporadic, and with phone :p So yes, here is the content just in case we > understood something different, you said "2-300€" so 200€ I just could, not > the whole travel :D (the bank would not allow me in any case). The > copy-paste of the discussion > > P- if the association would be able to sponsor/loan/whatever me €2-300 for > the trip, I'll be able to attend, so please consider what can be done while > I'm on my way home or something > cya > > R- I can try to pay with my own money > > P- well, if you can afford it... > if so > > R- not really but i don't see solutions for now > > P- I will pay you back when able to > > R- and i trust you > > P- good to hear at least > trust is rather important > > R- yep > > Sorry, I should've picked my wording better, "helping" and "travel expenses" would be better (but going to detailed in specifics didn't feel all too necessary), as I said, I should be able to cover some of the expenses myself. I didn't really mean to imply anything else or misrepresent you, more an attempt at seeing whether anyone else would be willing to help out and and help out reducing the amount you'd need to lend me.. > > >> (if anyone else would feel as generous and find my attendane valuable >> enough, both myself and Raphaël would appreciate this btw., but i won't go >> on begging much more beyond that, beyond expressing my gratitude and >> greatfulness towards Raphaël and his will to aid me9 I seem to be attending >> this year after all, and as i expect that we'll have some usb sticks this >> year as well to hand out, i would think if would be good to have both omv & >> mdk usb sticks to distribute, especially since the latter is more updated >> and with new functionality, features and far more recent versions of our >> own in-house developed tools, for which i'll be more than willing to tell >> and answer questions about. >> >> For this release, i would as i said above, merge all the stuff (all my >> work done privately since may 2013, so it'll be quite an update and more >> recent to what's been in the omv releases which has been shipping neglibly >> improved/developed over that period) that i'm in the process of merging >> back to cooker. >> i will also try find the time to finish integrate some of the features >> I've discussed here, that's yet only resides in my source repos, while >> awaiting final preparations for being included. >> >> Blackcrack, would this satisfy what you'd like to see in this release? >> For the background you mentioned by Arvi, I'm not sure which you refer >> to, Arvi was very fond of the existing one in Moondrake, and didn't think >> of there being a need for changing it at all, so I'm not sure if you refer >> to some other background or not. >> But I will most certainly still continue to include his tuxlets theme >> avatars, which I think of as a nice way to honour him, but including names >> of deceased in the release code name, is something i'm principally is >> against of and something that can easily be found in more or less poor >> taste by some, I'd rather place some dedication somewhere else... >> >> If these plans for preparing a release in time for FOSDEM sounds >> satisfactory to people, and noone will object to distributing it together >> with OMV usb keys at the stand, I will start work on preparing this. >> > >> Any comments? Suggestions? :) >> > > Well, my suggestion would be your previous suggestion, you told you wanted > to come to Fosdem to make proposals and engage discussions (new ideas of > way to find treasury, focusing on some projects that may be more sellable > etc.). As the motivation of developers and contributors are one of my main > concerns, I'd suggest to take time for discussions with other > developers/contributors and see if you are on the same line. If you can > come with something that fits both current OMA dev/contrib, and you, then > certainly this "something" can be submitted to the members of the > association :) > > About coming as is and distributing usb sticks at the booth named > "OpenMandriva" with a distro which is not under the umbrella of > No, I thought it was evident that "coming as is" was not the intention, but rather in a hope to plan for discussions addressing the more pressing issues as a primary motivation. > OpenMandriva while nothing is yet clear for contrib/dev of OM Lx projects, > neither to OMA members, and officially decided by them, about the relation > that exists between OMA and Moondrake, it would certainly confuse not only > booth keepers but also people visiting our booth. Certainly there are > solutions, but discussions first, agreement then. It's my vision, not to be > shared by everyone :) > Well, as it's more of just a flavour, and something that wouldn't be hard to emphasize to anyone getting a key (which none of will be distributed anyways:p), I wouldn't think of it as a big issue, even dual branded keys would be fully possible with little effort software-wise. And as said it would be a good opportunity to showcase more recent developments and some more polished product in shortage of much to show at the booth. Well, I said if noone would object, which pretty much meant that it could be a matter of subject for discussion. ;) Without anything to distribute anyways, it's a rather moot point anyways. :p ' Anyways, sorry if any intentions, motivations etc. was misrepresented, certainly not my intention. -- Regards, Per Øyvind
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