[Winona Online Democracy]
People like me work in fast food restaurants, so that you can go out and
have a burger when you want one. Some of us have to work to get the things
we want and to go to school to get a better job. I still stand by the fact
that working has taught me a lot, even if it was in a fast food restaurant.
Ben Klinger
----- Original Message -----
From: "andrew thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 2:26 AM
Subject: RE: [Winona] Teen Employment
> [Winona Online Democracy]
>
> "People like you"?
>
> Not to be hostile, but if your children didn't work at McDonald's you
aren't
> any more of an authority on the subject than I am, so comments about
"people
> like you" aren't warranted. I remain concvinced there are much better
ways
> to develop personal skils than by working in fast food.
>
>
> >From: "Tom Severson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "andrew thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >CC: "MaryAnn Severson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Josh J.R.
> >Severson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jon Severson"
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: [Winona] Teen Employment
> >Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:46:16 -0600
> >
> >The problem is that people like you do not understand the value young
> >people
> >gain by working at McDonalds... I personally would be willing to pay
> >McDonalds for the training my kids would have received from them had they
> >worked for them.. Tom Severson
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of andrew
> >thompson
> >Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 4:40 AM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [Winona] Teen Employment
> >
> >
> >[Winona Online Democracy]
> >
> >But my point was that while a few students get jobs as nursing aides or
> >work
> >in a family business, most are not doing anything particularly
educational
> >beyond the realm of basic life skills, which I won't minimize. The
> >majority
> >of my working peers work basic, part-time, very simple jobs, some of
which
> >seem to actually contribute to the loss of skills through atrophy.
Working
> >the counter at McDonald's consists of entering simple information into a
> >computer that calculates prices and change due, and giving back the
> >appropriate currency. Certainly this doesn't help the employee's math
> >skills, and most of the counterpersons I encounter don't seem to be
> >learning
> >communications skills very well. In some places, the registers' keys
even
> >have pictures on them, not written words--God forbid we demand the kids
be
> >able to read. yes, they have to be there on time, but there are lots of
> >things that require punctuality. (like high school) I worked very
briefly
> >in a retail job and was told to stop calculating prices and change in my
> >head, because the register kept records based on the items assigned
> >price-lookup keys. This seems to be the way many student-held jobs run,
> >and
> >the routine of not using one's mental skills can't help in the
development
> >of young minds.
> >As for sports, I will make the comment that at least a student can hold a
> >job and still come to school and encounter an environment designed around
> >intellectual development, but athletic distractions are implicitly
promoted
> >even while the student is in school. Student athletes regularly leave
> >classes to go to events, and I've had more than one teacher devote
> >classtime
> >to discussion of school sports and "school spirit" activities. Several
> >times every year I am pulled out of my classes for the purpose of
> >celebrating the school's sports teams. What does this say is important?
> >Interestingly enough, most of my classmates who confuse Cambodia with
> >Colombia, associate Thomas Jefferson with the Civil War, or don't know
how
> >to read a periodic table are major participants in school-sponsored
> >athletics. (All of these actually happened in classes I've been in.)
It's
> >because football (or track, or dance team) is more important to them, and
> >no
> >one tells them othwerwise.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Joliene Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: "andrew thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: Re: [Winona] Teen Employment
> > >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:35:32 -0600
> > >
> > >Again Andrew, it all depends on what you mean by "educational" and what
> >you
> > >mean by "valuable". All of the points I made in my first response to
> >your
> > >letter would/should be considered "part of a person's education and
> > >valuable". If an individual doesn't know something, learns about it,
> > >masters a skill around it etc etc then you are being educated.
(example:
> > >importance of being to work when scheduled, and on time, seeing 'other
> > >work', besides assigned work, to do)
> > >
> > >I agree however, that in some cases, students devote time to work or
> > >curricular activities at the expense of their education. That should
be
> > >the
> > >responsible parents job to watch and see that there is a balance.
> > >Joliene Olson
> > >507-454-1236
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "andrew thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 2:51 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [Winona] Teen Employment
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Winona Online Democracy]
> > > >
> > > > I was by no means implying that these jobs are valueless. Indeed,
we
> > >would
> > > > be nowhere without the people who cook and clean up for us. My
point
> > >was
> > > > that the picture some may have of teenagers going out into the
> >community
> > >for
> > > > hands-on educational experience to acquire skills for life is not
> > >accurate
> > > > in many cases I have seen. Computer technology has eliminated the
> >need,
> > >and
> > > > therewith the training, for intellectual aptitude in the jobs
> >teenagers
> > > > typically hold. I was not implying that these jobs are not
valuable,
> > >only
> > > > that they not be viewed as educational, meaning many adolescents
> >should
> > >be
> > > > encouraged to take some time off of work (and sports, and shopping,
> >and
> > >drug
> > > > use) and devote it to their education.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Jerome Christenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >To: "Winona Online Democracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Subject: Re: [Winona] Teen Employment
> > > > >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:00:24 -0600
> > > > >
> > > > >[Winona Online Democracy]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Let's be careful about equating "menial" with "valueless." We all
> >enjoy
> > >the
> > > > >clean toilets, hauled trash, and uncluttered floors "menial"
workers
> > > > >provide
> > > > >us with.
> > > > >I daresay, a good trash man, cook and janitor contributes more to
the
> > > > >common
> > > > >good than the average school administrator, store manager or
> >newspaper
> > > > >pundit.
> > > > >Our kids are out there doing some of the most important work there
> > >is...too
> > > > >bad they don't get paid in proportion to its true social
> >significance.
> > > > >
> > > > >
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