[Winona Online Democracy]
Chief Pomeroy, You make a good point. Sometimes we expect laws to be
self-regulatory. If we could only hire God to enforce all the laws, it
would be a perfect legal system. I used to demonstrate that in my law
office by telling a client that the perfect system would be to have God
reach down and slap anyone who ran a stop sign. All law has to be enforced
somehow. The only tools humanity has are themselves. People like all of us
go into such roles as police, lawyers, judges etc. We are imperfect, and
thus we find some errors in enforcement. All we can do is to review our
systems and see if we can improve.
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Pomeroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Online Dem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 'David' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 12:10 PM
Subject: RE: [Winona] Vehicle noise
> [Winona Online Democracy]
>
> Mr. Dittman I can certainly understand your anger if there were 135
attempts
> on your life which were made by people not tending to responsible driving
> habits. I do, however, beg to differ with you. I know for a fact that the
> Winona Police Officers are making arrests for all of the violations that
you
> list, in particulra stop sign, semaphore and speed violations.It is
> impossible to provide an Officer everytime someone takes your rights to
ride
> or walk safely away from you. We patrol nearly 20 square miles, with the
> inclusion of Winona Township into the city limits. We do, however,
> concentrate on many of the areas in town that have serious problems. If
you
> were to provide me with the locations of some of your mishaps perhaps we
can
> help. Chief Pomeroy
>
> > ----------
> > From: David[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 11:39 AM
> > To: Online Dem
> > Subject: Re: [Winona] Vehicle noise
> >
> > [Winona Online Democracy]
> >
> >
> > On Monday, June 25, 2001, at 09:08 , Frank Pomeroy wrote:
> >
> > > We have typically 3-4 Officers on the street at any one time and we
> > > can't be everywhere or accomplish everything that each of you may
want.
> >
> > In the past two years Winona drivers have made at least 135 attempts to
> > kill me. (This does not include the ones where I determined it to be my
> > fault. (About 15 or so)) Not in that number, since it is only a number
> > reflecting when my life has been in danger, are the occurrences of
> > general idiocy. If I am seeing such a prevalence of such moronic acts
> > then maybe there is a problem, or I must have the strangest luck.
> >
> > Did I accidentally mean to imply the police department membership were
> > deities, if so I retract that, though I fail to see where I said that? I
> > had always figured everyone expected things to not be seen. The
> > prevalence of acts that I see are too many to not be seen at least once.
> >
> > > When I read the paper I see a whole page attributed to arrests that
are
> > > made by Officers on Patrol. We do our best to provide services to the
> > > citizens to keep their community safe, and I think we are doing a heck
> > > of a job-Chief.
> > >
> > > Frank Pomeroy
> >
> > Well, guess what! I do not feel safe on Winona roads. I could care-less
> > if the cars next to me are travelling 15 miles over the speed limit. As
> > long as there are not swerving at me.
> >
> > As previously mentioned, there are majeure problems with turn signal
> > violations in Winona. I see them daily. Why do I not see any violations
> > listed for it?
> >
> > My gripe is apparently there are people that are not seeing enough
> > patrol cars. IMHO, if a few people saw patrols a little more often I
> > would not be regarded as a trash receptacle. (Its a fun experience,
> > bring along some friends, I guarantee they too will love being treated
> > as a trash receptacle.) Furthermore, if a few people were actually
> > ticketed for stupid things it may send a message that is different from
> > the current message that I am seeing.
> >
> > David Dittmann
> >
> > >> ----------
> > >> From: David[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 9:55 PM
> > >> To: Online Dem
> > >> Subject: Re: [Winona] Vehicle noise
> > >>
> > >> [Winona Online Democracy]
> > >>
> > >> Another violation that seems to be ignored is the systematic
harassment
> > >> of anyone with two wheels. Included in that:
> > >>
> > >> * throwing of objects from the window
> > >> * spitting
> > >> * throwing beverages out a window
> > >> *general obscene conduct
> > >> * conveniently ignoring a stop sign then yelling at the cyclist
> > >> for following the right of way (at a two way stop)
> > >> * sitting at a four way stop and waiting for the cyclist to move
> > >> and then stepping on the gas so they can almost hit them. Then yell
at
> > >> the cyclist for being irrational even though they were the one with
> > >> their head somewhere else.
> > >> * general idiocy
> > >>
> > >> I have not been affected by the unruly driving skills of the masses
> > >> lately but for a while an attempt on my life was being made nearly
on
> > >> a daily basis.
> > >>
> > >> I see a police patrol ever 10 to 25 miles that I bicycle. That comes
up
> > >> to once every other day. Yet none of what I listed ever show up in
the
> > >> paper. Most of what I outlined are a bit minor but it is a real
> > >> detraction on the day.
> > >>
> > >> Again, I ask why?
> > >>
> > >> David Dittmann
> > >>
> > >> On Saturday, June 23, 2001, at 09:34 , Dan Dittmann wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> [Winona Online Democracy]
> > >>>
> > >>> One traffic problem which really irkes me are turn signal
violations.
> > >>> How much effort does it really take to use your turn signal? Like
> > >>> noise
> > >>> violations, you do not find very many, if any, convictions in the
> > >>> paper. Why is that?
> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> Dan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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