Thanks for the list. I looked around. Some lists are very active. Some have not seen activity for a year or more. Some seem to never have been active. And some are just full of spam :-(
I can see three ways to decide what to do (but maybe someone has other ideas?): 1) Recreate the structure of the OOo lists, making lists for all language groups, whether or not they are active. 2) Define activity criteria for what we will create, such as number of posts in last 12 months. Create lists of whatever was active (by an agreed on definition). 3) Create lists only when there is a sufficient number of project members on the Apache list asking for new list. I think I like approach #3 better. There are downsides to having more lists than we need. It fragments the discussion. If we have 93 language projects with each one having dev/marketing/user, etc., lists, then we have 500 or so mailing lists, most of which see little or no traffic. Do we really want to recreate that at Apache? Right now we have just a single discussion pubic list, ooo-dev. I can easily imagine, that once we have some code checked in and start actively working on making our first release, that the traffic in that one list will be larger enough that we'll want to split into specialized functional lists, maybe: ooo-general == general project discussion that crosses over functional areas of project. Everything that doesn't fit elsewhere goes here. ooo-user == user discussion threads ooo-dev == programming, including QA, UI design, accessibility, etc. ooo-doc == help and documentation ooo-translate == translation I don't think we're there yet, but I can certainly see that happening in the next few weeks/months. It is also possible that when we get very active, that the conversation level on ooo-translate becomes so high that we need to split some language discussions into their own list: ooo-translate-jp, ooo-translate-es, ooo-translate-pt, etc. I think we might want that to be driven by actual observed demand. We can always create new lists when they are actually needed. But I think for now we want to keep the discussion together in larger groups. For example, before we think of having a detailed group on Japanese translation, we should probably have higher level discussions in common, like: 1) Do we want Apache to host a Pootle server? If so, we need to put together that request and make it happen. 2) Did the Oracle SGA include all of the language translation sources? If not, we need to identify what is missing. Another thing to consider is this. We've all heard the complaints about Sun/Oracle and how they managed the OOo project. Maybe the core development project was not as open as it could have been to outside contributions. Maybe the project leadership was centralized with their employees. Maybe the power was not shared broadly. These are all valid criticisms of *that* project. The natural tendency of this was to create satellite power centers in the language projects, because that was the primary place where you were permitted a sphere of influence and control. I don't think the new Apache project needs to be, or should be, the same way. There is no central corporate control. Volunteers from all former OOo language projects are welcome, and are even encouraged, to participate directly in all functions of the project. I'd like OOo to be a strong *global* open source project. I guess I'm saying this: Let's not automatically create the same project structures as OOo had. Those were partially created to work within a corporate-led open source project that distributed power in a very different way. Some of the hierarchical structures of that project were made to deal with that power arrangement and the friction is produced. Apache is different. Of course, language differences and the need to encourage participation by all is critical as well. We may all speak C++ very well, but not all speak English well. But I wonder if things like Google translate are now good enough that we could manage, with a little patience and understanding, to have multilingual conversations on a single list, at least until the traffic is so high that we need to split the lists? -Rob On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Kazunari Hirano <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Rob, > > Please take a look at the Native Language Confederation Projects of > OpenOffice.org page. > http://projects.openoffice.org/native-lang.html > > Every language project has mailing lists. > You can check which list is active or not. > > 1 - Afar - http://openoffice.org/projects/aa/lists > 2 - Albanian - http://openoffice.org/projects/sq/lists > 3 - Afrikaans - http://openoffice.org/projects/af/lists > 4 - Amharic - http://openoffice.org/projects/am/lists > 5 - Arabic - http://openoffice.org/projects/ar/lists > 6 - Armenian - http://openoffice.org/projects/hy/lists > 7 - Asturian - http://openoffice.org/projects/ast/lists > 8 - Azeri - http://openoffice.org/projects/az/lists > 9 - Balochi - http://openoffice.org/projects/bal/lists > 10 - Basque - http://openoffice.org/projects/eu/lists > 11 - Bengali - http://openoffice.org/projects/bn/lists > 12 - Bosnian - http://openoffice.org/projects/bs/lists > 13 - Breton - http://openoffice.org/projects/bre/lists > 14 - Bulgarian - http://openoffice.org/projects/bg/lists > 15 - Burmese - http://openoffice.org/projects/my/lists > 16 - Catalan - http://openoffice.org/projects/ca/lists > 17 - ChiNyanja - http://openoffice.org/projects/ny/lists > 18 - Chinese - http://openoffice.org/projects/zh/lists > 19 - Czech - http://openoffice.org/projects/cs/lists > 20 - Croatian - http://openoffice.org/projects/hr/lists > 21 - Danish - http://openoffice.org/projects/da/lists > 22 - Dutch - http://openoffice.org/projects/nl/lists > 23 - Dzongkha - http://openoffice.org/projects/dz/lists > 24 - Esperanto - http://openoffice.org/projects/eo/lists > 25 - Estonian - http://openoffice.org/projects/et/lists > 26 - Finnish - http://openoffice.org/projects/fi/lists > 27 - French - http://openoffice.org/projects/fr/lists > 28 - Friulian - http://openoffice.org/projects/fur/lists > 29 - Galician - http://openoffice.org/projects/gl/lists > 30 - Gaelic Irish - http://openoffice.org/projects/ga/lists > 31 - Gaelic Scottish - http://openoffice.org/projects/gd/lists > 32 - Georgian - http://openoffice.org/projects/ka/lists > 33 - German - http://openoffice.org/projects/de/lists > 34 - Greek - http://openoffice.org/projects/el/lists > 35 - Gujarati - http://openoffice.org/projects/gu/lists > 36 - Haitian Creole - http://openoffice.org/projects/ht/lists > 37 - Hebrew - http://openoffice.org/projects/he/lists > 38 - Hindi - http://openoffice.org/projects/hi/lists > 39 - Hungarian - http://openoffice.org/projects/hu/lists > 40 - Icelandic - http://openoffice.org/projects/is/lists > 41 - Indonesian - http://openoffice.org/projects/id/lists > 42 - Irish Gaelic - http://openoffice.org/projects/ga/lists > 43 - Italiano - http://openoffice.org/projects/it/lists > 44 - Japanese - http://openoffice.org/projects/ja/lists > 45 - Khmer - http://openoffice.org/projects/km/lists > 46 - Korean - http://openoffice.org/projects/ko/lists > 47 - Kurdish - http://openoffice.org/projects/ku/lists > 48 - Lao - http://openoffice.org/projects/lo/lists > 49 - Latvian - http://openoffice.org/projects/lv/lists > 50 - Lithuanian - http://openoffice.org/projects/lt/lists > 51 - Macedonian - http://openoffice.org/projects/mk/lists > 52 - Malayalam - http://openoffice.org/projects/ml/lists > 53 - Marathi - http://openoffice.org/projects/mr/lists > 54 - Malagasy - http://openoffice.org/projects/mg/lists > 55 - Malaysian - http://openoffice.org/projects/ms/lists > 56 - Miskito - http://openoffice.org/projects/miq/lists > 57 - Mongolian - http://openoffice.org/projects/mn/lists > 58 - Nepali - http://openoffice.org/projects/ne/lists > 59 - Norwegian - http://openoffice.org/projects/no/lists > 60 - Oromoo - http://openoffice.org/projects/om/lists > 61 - Papmiento - http://openoffice.org/projects/pa/lists > 62 - Pashto - http://openoffice.org/projects/ps/lists > 63 - Persian - http://openoffice.org/projects/fa/lists > 64 - Polish - http://openoffice.org/projects/pl/lists > 65 - Portuguese - http://openoffice.org/projects/pt/lists > 66 - Portuguese of Brasil - http://openoffice.org/projects/br-pt/lists > 67 - Punjabi - http://openoffice.org/projects/pa/lists > 68 - Romanian - http://openoffice.org/projects/ro/lists > 69 - Russian - http://openoffice.org/projects/ru/lists > 70 - Sängö - http://openoffice.org/projects/sg/lists > 71 - Serbian - http://openoffice.org/projects/sr/lists > 72 - Shuswa - http://openoffice.org/projects/shs/lists > 73 - Sidama - http://openoffice.org/projects/dm/lists > 74 - Sinhala - http://openoffice.org/projects/si/lists > 75 - Slovenian - http://openoffice.org/projects/sl/lists > 76 - Slovakian - http://openoffice.org/projects/sk/lists > 77 - Somali - http://openoffice.org/projects/so/lists > 78 - Spanish - http://openoffice.org/projects/es/lists > 79 - Swedish - http://openoffice.org/projects/sv/lists > 80 - Tajik - http://openoffice.org/projects/tg/lists > 81 - Tamil - http://openoffice.org/projects/ta/lists > 82 - Tatar - http://openoffice.org/projects/tt-crh/lists > 83 - Telugu - http://openoffice.org/projects/te/lists > 84 - Tetum - http://openoffice.org/projects/tet/lists > 85 - Thai - http://openoffice.org/projects/th/lists > 86 - Tibetan - http://openoffice.org/projects/bo/lists > 87 - Tigrinya - http://openoffice.org/projects//lists > 88 - Turkish - http://openoffice.org/projects/tr/lists > 89 - Ukrainian - http://openoffice.org/projects/uk/lists > 90 - Urdu - http://openoffice.org/projects/urd/lists > 91 - Uzbek - http://openoffice.org/projects/uz/lists > 92 - Vietnamese - http://openoffice.org/projects/vi/lists > 93 - Welsh - http://openoffice.org/projects/cy/lists > > Thanks, > khirano >
