On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Joe Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: > Up until a few days ago I thought we had one. > Move the forums over to the ASF, give the PPMC > and ASF members the full ability (upon request) > to oversee allcommunications within the forums, > and life goeson. I see no need for the Volunteers > to join the PPMC or anything like that, just keep > doing whatever you're doing and keep the PPMC abreast > of anything report-worthy when they need to report > to the board. If the Volunteers want to incorporate > some Apache-style voting processes into their ops, > go for it! > >
And if I wanted to create a group called the "Calc developer volunteers", could we join the project, with the understanding the rest of the project would leave us alone? We would vote in our own committers, etc,. independently of the normal PMC process. We would conduct our business on restricted-access mailing lists, not visible to the public. But on request we'd allow PMC members to join these lists. Ignore for a second the IP implications. That is really a red herring. The point is meritocracy, decision making and PMC oversight. Think of similar analogies with non-release aspects of the project, like web site design, documentation, wikis, etc. Where else does Apache have a meritocracy embedded in a project that does not commune with the PMC? In an ideal world, where everything just worked, and there were never any disagreements or disputes, then this might work. But in that world we wouldn't need a PMC or an ASF Board either. In any case, we don't live in such a world. It is bizarre, but I hear people advocating for community fragmentation in the name of community unity. Having two parallel meritocracies within the same project is fragmentation. I don't see how we can call it anything else. -Rob > > >>________________________________ >>From: Rory O'Farrell <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 9:08 AM >>Subject: Re: [RT] Create a second incubator podling - the ooo forums >> >>On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 05:49:09 -0700 (PDT) >>Joe Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >><snip> >>> So to answer your questions, yes it certainly could be done >>> within the Apache structure. No it probably cannot be done >>> to host stuff here on behalf of some third party. >> >>Thanks, that is helpful in clarifying options. >> >>So to be hosted on Apache one would need to find some mechanism whereby a >>forum would fit into Apache; by your earlier post you do not think there is >>such a mechanism. Might Apache be prepared to modify (by extension) their >>structures to accomodate these? This becomes a problem for the legal >>draughtsmen, of course. The old rule of £minimal change" ought apply. >> >>I'm not asking for a change, just exploring the possibility of one. >> >>-- >>Rory O'Farrell <[email protected]> >> >> >>
