Where did you get that from in what I wrote?
>________________________________ >From: Rob Weir <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 9:39 AM >Subject: Re: [RT] Create a second incubator podling - the ooo forums > >On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Joe Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: >> It's called delegation Rob, and it's done all the >> time within the ASF. The PPMC can delegate ALL >> >> management/oversight aspects to whomever is on >> the PPMC that is also involved with the forums. >> >> So long as 1 person on the PPMC is watching over >> the activity, and anything noteworthy gets passed >> along to the board via PPMC reports, it's a perfectly >> humane way of conducting yourselves. >> > >So we can delegate selection of approval of committers to a single >PPMC member? Really? > >-Rob > >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>>From: Rob Weir <[email protected]> >>>To: [email protected] >>>Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 9:27 AM >>>Subject: Re: [RT] Create a second incubator podling - the ooo forums >>> >>>On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Joe Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Up until a few days ago I thought we had one. >>>> Move the forums over to the ASF, give the PPMC >>>> and ASF members the full ability (upon request) >>>> to oversee allcommunications within the forums, >>>> and life goeson. I see no need for the Volunteers >>>> to join the PPMC or anything like that, just keep >>>> doing whatever you're doing and keep the PPMC abreast >>>> of anything report-worthy when they need to report >>>> to the board. If the Volunteers want to incorporate >>>> some Apache-style voting processes into their ops, >>>> go for it! >>>> >>>> >>> >>>And if I wanted to create a group called the "Calc developer >>>volunteers", could we join the project, with the understanding the >>>rest of the project would leave us alone? We would vote in our own >>>committers, etc,. independently of the normal PMC process. We would >>>conduct our business on restricted-access mailing lists, not visible >>>to the public. But on request we'd allow PMC members to join these >>>lists. >>> >>>Ignore for a second the IP implications. That is really a red >>>herring. The point is meritocracy, decision making and PMC oversight. >>>Think of similar analogies with non-release aspects of the project, >>>like web site design, documentation, wikis, etc. >>> >>>Where else does Apache have a meritocracy embedded in a project that >>>does not commune with the PMC? In an ideal world, where everything >>>just worked, and there were never any disagreements or disputes, then >>>this might work. But in that world we wouldn't need a PMC or an ASF >>>Board either. In any case, we don't live in such a world. >>> >>>It is bizarre, but I hear people advocating for community >>>fragmentation in the name of community unity. Having two parallel >>>meritocracies within the same project is fragmentation. I don't see >>>how we can call it anything else. >>> >>>-Rob >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>________________________________ >>>>>From: Rory O'Farrell <[email protected]> >>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 9:08 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: [RT] Create a second incubator podling - the ooo forums >>>>> >>>>>On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 05:49:09 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>Joe Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>><snip> >>>>>> So to answer your questions, yes it certainly could be done >>>>>> within the Apache structure. No it probably cannot be done >>>>>> to host stuff here on behalf of some third party. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, that is helpful in clarifying options. >>>>> >>>>>So to be hosted on Apache one would need to find some mechanism whereby a >>>>>forum would fit into Apache; by your earlier post you do not think there >>>>>is such a mechanism. Might Apache be prepared to modify (by extension) >>>>>their structures to accomodate these? This becomes a problem for the >>>>>legal draughtsmen, of course. The old rule of £minimal change" ought >>>>>apply. >>>>> >>>>>I'm not asking for a change, just exploring the possibility of one. >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Rory O'Farrell <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> > > >
