On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Joe Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Simon Phipps <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:58 AM >>> Subject: Re: Umbrella projects >>> >>> >>> On 12 Sep 2011, at 14:12, Rob Weir wrote: >>> >>>> It would be useful if you explained what you meant by "autonomy" >>> so it >>>> is clear about what you are talking about. >>> >>> "Autonomy" in the case of a localisation would mean being free to >>> create releases without needing to translate decisions made by the >>> developers >>> (regardless of what's changed) into any other language. Obviously anything >>> that moves upstream would need to be represented in English. >> >> Provided that there are sane versioning rules for the sources, I don't >> see why a local language "preliminary release vote" needs to be held here. >> OTOH I do know that the only votes that count are (P)PMC votes, so any source >> release needs to follow all the normal rules of an ASF release, including >> soliciting positive votes from the IPMC on general@incubator. >> >> Once the project graduates those per-lang decisions still need to be carried >> out by PMC members, tho they don't necessarily have to do it on an English >> language mailing list, provided they are able to accept votes from >> English-speaking-only members of the PMC regarding their candidates. >> > > I disagree. I don't think, for example, that it would be sufficient > to call for a release vote in Japanese on a Japanese mailing list. > This would be true, even if three PPMC members were contacted off list > to point them to the otherwise obscure voting thread. That is > tantamount to a stealth ballot. Why not just send the ballot to > ooo-commits in Sumerian? > > We need a standard, well-known, recognized "polling place" for votes > to occur, and I think that is be with ooo-dev. >
Just thinking.... Could also handle this like we do with podling committer votes, where we cc the IPMC on the initial vote thread and the results. So a language list could do a similar thing: cc the ooo-dev list initially, including an English translation of the proposal, so the PPMC is fairly notified. Then continue with the vote on their NL list, but cc ooo-dev on the results. So votes can occur on other threads, but they all must include ooo-dev on the initial [VOTE] and [VOTE][RESULTS] posts. Would that make everyone happy? > -Rob >
