On 12 September 2011 15:42, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com> > >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > >> Cc: > >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:58 AM > >> Subject: Re: Umbrella projects > >> > >> > >> On 12 Sep 2011, at 14:12, Rob Weir wrote: > >> > >>> It would be useful if you explained what you meant by "autonomy" > >> so it > >>> is clear about what you are talking about. > >> > >> "Autonomy" in the case of a localisation would mean being free to > >> create releases without needing to translate decisions made by the > developers > >> (regardless of what's changed) into any other language. Obviously > anything > >> that moves upstream would need to be represented in English. > > > > Provided that there are sane versioning rules for the sources, I don't > > see why a local language "preliminary release vote" needs to be held > here. > > OTOH I do know that the only votes that count are (P)PMC votes, so any > source > > release needs to follow all the normal rules of an ASF release, including > > soliciting positive votes from the IPMC on general@incubator. > > > > Once the project graduates those per-lang decisions still need to be > carried > > out by PMC members, tho they don't necessarily have to do it on an > English > > language mailing list, provided they are able to accept votes from > > English-speaking-only members of the PMC regarding their candidates. > > > > I disagree. I don't think, for example, that it would be sufficient > to call for a release vote in Japanese on a Japanese mailing list. > This would be true, even if three PPMC members were contacted off list > to point them to the otherwise obscure voting thread. That is > tantamount to a stealth ballot. Why not just send the ballot to > ooo-commits in Sumerian? > > We need a standard, well-known, recognized "polling place" for votes > to occur, and I think that is be with ooo-dev.
Is this debate really necessary when we can simply devise a non-onerous procedure which will render all of this academic? 1. I a NL community is hell bent on autonomy they can just create a fork. 2. If they are not they are likely to be amenable to a simple courtesy of posting their intentions in English and waiting for Lazy Consensus to run it course. All Ross said was just be aware of some potential difficulties - maybe I'm being naive but it seems to me there is a very simple safeguard so that's all it needs. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
