On Nov 18, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> On Nov 18, 2011, at 9:48 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>> >>>>>> There are several parts to the migration of openoffice.org website. One >>>>> area that needs attention is rewriting contributing.openoffice.org to fit >>>>> ASF and AOO policies. (Policies may need to be written and discussed.) >>>>>> >>>>>> On the current main www.openoffice.org page, contributing is accessed >>>>> from the fifth button - "I want to participate in OpenOffice.org" >>>>>> >>>>>> Volunteers are needed to take leadership of and contribute to this >>>>> rewrite. Any committer can do this work. >>>>>> >>>>>> I suggest that a directory be created within the podling site called >>>>> "contributing". Within that directory there should be an index.mdtext and >>>>> as many subpages as required. Once completed, I can do an svn copy or move >>>>> to the ooo-site tree. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Before actually doing the work, let me propose a radical >>>>> simplification. AOO is organizationally flat, so we don't have all >>>>> the destination sub-projects of the legacy OOo website. >>>>> >>>>> 1) The "I want to participate" link on the main page goes to a single >>>>> new page. No need to be at contribute.openoffice.org. In fact, I >>>>> think I'd avoid that since to participate != to contribute. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Rob-- >>>> >>>> I'm not following you here. It's true that of course we are not going to >>>> follow the former "project" hierarchy (lucky for use the "Projects" tab is >>>> now gone on the setup site) that existed within OpenOffice.org, but I'm not >>>> understanding what you’re trying to say about the existing "participate " >>>> link on the home page that transfers to contributing.html. >>>> >>>> In the legacy OOo sense, the "participate" link jumped to a "contribute" >>>> page, contribute.html, which listed a few ways to contribute/participate, >>>> so in this sense, I think it meant the same thing (?). >>>> >>>> I think you are making a distinction between participating and contributing >>>> (?) based on ???? actual participation -- coding, etc -- vs monetary >>>> contributions? >>>> >>> >>> In English, participate means to take part in. Contribute means to >>> give something (including money, time, resources, etc.) for a >>> charitable purpose. So anyone who participates in the project is also >>> contributing to the project via their time.. But not everyone who >>> contributes is also participating. For example, if you just donate >>> via Paypal, then you are contributing, but not participating. >> >> The site says "Participate" this what the pages describe and what the >> rewrite should be. >> >> The subdomain and OOo / Collabnet / Kenai project is contributing. >> contributing.openoffice.org can have a permanent redirection wherever we >> decide. We can reduce all links to the old site to the index of the new >> Participate Page(s). >> >> The c.oo.o site currently has the following categories. >> >> Programming >> Marketing >> Quality Assurance >> Graphics and Art >> Writing >> Helping Users >> User Experience >> Monetary Donations >> Language Communities >> >> I think most of the categories should be kept. >> >> There is also a guideline. This should be replaced with an introduction to >> the Apache Way. There should be concrete examples of how users can find a >> ways to participate in the project within each category. >> >> Programming >> ooo-dev, svn, builds, ... >> Marketing >> ooo-marketing, ... >> Quality Assurance >> Bugzilla, ... >> Graphics and Art >> Logos, icons, fonts, skins, ... >> Writing >> Apache CMS, ODFAuthors, api docs, ... >> Helping Users >> ooo-users, Forums >> User Experience >> ? >> Monetary Donations >> ASF donations and sponsorship links. >> Language Communities >> Language Packs, N-L communities, what to do to add support for a >> language to AOO. >> NL Mailing lists, NL Forums. >> Apache Software Foundation >> The Apache Way, Project Governance, ... >> >> >> The more I think about this the more I think these are podling pages. >> > > What I see is this: > > 1) What we have at openoffice.org today for this page is pretty much > 100% wrong. It is useless or worse for anyone interested in learning > how to participate in AOO. > > 2) Any prolonged development and planning effort around creating a new > sub-site is equally ineffective, at least in the near term, since no > users go to ooo-site.
I agree that we can be quick. We will ask Apache Infra to permanently redirect contributing.openoffice.org to our new page either to http://ooo-site.apache.org/participate/ or http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/participate/ As long as there is a simple page in place the infra change can proceed independently from the content correction. > > 3) From what I've been told, the plan is to switch the ooo-site live > within a couple of weeks, Well, next few weeks. I'm contemplating a more direct approach and pruning approach that must proceed specially for several subdomains. downloads.oo.o is another discussion and it goes as far away from the podling site as possible. > > So.... it seems to me that anything that can be done now, in the short > term, is more useful. We can always refine it over time, add to it., > expand it, make it more friendly, etc. But almost anything is better > than the 100% incorrect information that is on the website now. So > I'd recommend, per my original proposal, that we just put a 1-pager up > for now, directing volunteers to ooo-dev. Unless, of course, someone > actually is volunteering to do more in this same timeframe. Doing > more later is fine as well. But let's keep the focus on what can be > done in, say the next two weeks. Agreed. Keep it simple and then refine it. I think it will turn some attention to the AOO podling's story. Regards, Dave > > -Rob
