Hi,
Le 20 nov. 11 à 17:38, Shane Curcuru a écrit :
On 2011-11-20 3:19 AM, eric b wrote:
Hi,
Le 20 nov. 11 à 01:30, Kay Schenk a écrit :
OK, I truly hate to make a comment like this, but...
eric b, any chance you could take your issues with Louis
somewhere other
than this list?
Kay has a point, and in a more established Apache project this kind
of discussion would *not* be appreciated.
I perfectly understand.
However I understand that there's a lot of history in the
previous OpenOffice.org project, especially with a lot of strong-
willed individuals, so I'll contribute to this thread.
And you will see that Oracle was not the bad boy. And you'll discover
that a little number of people, always the same, mostly producing
nothing, had some responsabilties in the disaster too.
The same one are on top of the TDF now, and some are there, inside
Apache OpenOffice.org.
Everything I reported are facts, that you can verify in the archives.
I'm simply describing a system who caused a disaster in
OpenOffice.org.
Louis was just one ot "the band".
If what people reported me is true, this "Monarchy" is still alive
(I've
heard of "discussions with old Community Council") , and probably,
there
is one plan behind the wood.
Do you have specific references to such behavior happening within
an Apache project?
If you do not, well, then I can only say with my 9 years of
experience being an Apache Member that Monarchies are *not*
tolerated at Apache, and if the relevant (P)PMC can't ensure that
the community acts in an open and meritocratic way, that either the
Incubator PMC or the board will step in to ensure that it does (or,
will terminate the podling/project).
So why do you protect people like you do with Hagar Delest ?
Refuse other people to know all the people working with them is
exactly the beginning of such Monarchy : people are not equal in
your system.
Remember : I only ask that PPMC know the real name of everybody in
the PPMC, nothing else. How can we trust people if we don't know who
they are ?
I can also say with my AOO Mentor hat that from my perspective, the
Community Council of the previous OpenOffice.org project is gone,
ceased, no longer exists as an officially recognized organization.
A lot of past organizational structures that were related to the
Sun or Oracle led project in the past are gone; it's just that
Oracle never bothered to officially announce the end of them (as
best I can see). It's obvious that a number of people who used to
have titles or roles in those organizations are hoping to get them
back or otherwise continue to use them, but they have no meaning
within the governance of this Apache podling.
I also think it's pretty clear from the discussions here by the
most active PPMC members (in terms of actual commits, not mailing
list traffic) that this PPMC explicitly does not want to re-form
any of the structures from the previous OpenOffice.org project.
I have perfectly understood, but you'll probably have to distrubute
some roles too. This is urgent.
As volunteer, not being paid, and working a lot on the code in my
spare time, I'd like to concentrate me on something ethical and
true, to avoid this occur again, and see the MERIT and TRUE
CONTRIBUTIONS (not only code) being the motor, but not politics,
nor mind manipulators.
If I have some doubts, or if ever the old crappy system is back, I
promise to immediately stop to contribute to Apache
OpenOffice.org, without regret.
Yes, you've said this before (in terms of leaving the project if
you couldn't know Hagar's true identity), which I have to say from
my perspective doesn't help your argument any (at least not in the
typical Apache Way mindset).
And I can explain easely : I was really unsubscribed a long time,
ignoring everything about Apache OOo (that's why I ignore a lot of
things discussed in meantime).
Recently, one reported me issues, and I - generously - proposed to
fix them in apache OpenOffice.org too. I did that because I simply
wanted to help, and share my knowledge (I'm not paid for anything I
do in free software world). My purpose was to help Apache
OpenOfice.org, because what is happening (e.g. in France) is not
honest too (Communication war, and bad lobbying).
In return, I got your sarcasms.
Regards,
Eric Bachard
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