søn, 18 09 2005 kl. 17:32 +0000, skrev Timothy Miller:
> Fair enough.  Could you offer some suggestions for concise changes
> that would help fix the problem?
> 
> Thanks.

I do not think I am really qualified for this (IA definitely NAL), it is
always easier to criticise than it is to be constructive :) 

One problem is that the LGPL is using the word library (and trying to
define it somewhat narrowly). 
I am not even sure exactly what OGP wants to license, but does it really
fit in the LGPL definition of a library?

That could maybe be worked around in (0), or maybe the GPL would be
better? 
Or GPL+Extra rights?.

Then (1) could be the (L)GPL notice and (2) could be something like:

In addition this work is licenced to Traversal which are granted the
right to sublicense, sell, bla bla...
You are free to remove this notice (and distribute under the LGPL only),
but then you must remove all references to Traversal, the OGP... except
in the copyright notices.


If this has to be included in every sourcefile it might be best to put
the Traversal License in its own file like the LGPL and just include a
short notice in the file.

> On 9/18/05, Søren Wedel Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > fre, 16 09 2005 kl. 14:27 -0400, skrev Timothy Miller:
> > > I had some hardware down time, and as a result, I'm quite certain
> that
> > > I missed a suggestion someone made.  If so, please remind me.
This is
> > > the latest revision of the license for your criticism.
> > > 
> > > Thanks.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > /* 
> > > DUAL LICENSING
> > > 
> > > "modifications"
> > > 
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parts of
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right to
> > 
> > > use and modify this Work, as long as you publish your changes to
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> > 
> > 
> > Why not follow the recommendations in the LGPL on how to apply it to
your
> > code:
> >
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> > 
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It is
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> > The (L)GPLv2 does not require that you publish your changes, only
that
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> > think the condition "as long as you publish your changes to the
Work" is
> > inconsistent with the terms of the LGPL, which state
> > 
> > "You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients'
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