On Tuesday 09 January 2007 02:46, Patrick McNamara wrote:
> > Oh, and should Patrick McNamara and the OHF follow suit?  Asking him
> > to change OHF to something else is about like asking Traversal to
> > change its name.  Some things are much harder to do, so this is
> > entirely up to him and his board members.  But I just thought I'd
> > mention the idea.
>
> That would be somewhat difficult right now as it would require filing and
> amendment to the articles of incorporation which are currently working
> their way through the cog that is the state goverment of Texas.
>
> I certainly understand RMS' postion on "free" vs "open" and generally agree
> with him, though I differ on some points.  I am a bit more pragmatic with
> an undertone of idealism.  Still, I have concerns about using the word
> "free" in the title of a hardware project or the Foundation.  While it does
> pose less of an issue than "open" in terms of confusing meanings, the big
> confusion it does have, between free beer and free speech, causes
> significant issue with hardware.  In the general sense we will never be
> producing free as in beer hardware.  This means that any packaging or press
> materials that reference "free hardware" will cause serious problems in the
> general problem.  In the lawsuit happy US, I can certain see someone saying
> "It said there was free hardware in the box.  I didn't get anything free. 
> I'll sue for false advertising!"  So yes that may be an exageration, but
> only a little.
>

Yeah. It's a little harder to match free as in free softeware (Where the 
duplication costs are approaching 0 & it costs nothing to provide a copy to 
your friends) with free as in free hardware, which can have quite large 
duplication costs and is never (Hmmm... That might bite me :) going to be 
able to be distributed for free...

I think Open matches a lot better the ethos of the OGP. Even if some 
have 'stolen' the idea of Open to mean only if you can afford the fees to 
join the club...

Just because some have redefined what Open means doesn't strike me as a good 
idea to play their game & agree... I say stick with the Open name. And 
redefine Open back to what it should really mean. 

The way I see Open Hardware is

* The freedom to use the hardware, for any purpose (freedom 0).
* The freedom to study how the hardware works, and adapt it to your
needs (freedom 1). Access to the register level documentation and interface 
timing information is a precondition for this.
* The freedom to redistribute copies of documentation so you can help your 
neighbor (freedom 2).
* The freedom to improve the hardware, and release your improvements to
the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3).  Access to the 
register level documentation and interface timing information is a 
precondition for this.

Looks fairly similiar to what was in the previous messages about free software 
really. But it's the Interface (Register and timings) that are important. Not 
the arrangement of transistors in the package. (This may be an important 
point for some people... I think it enables proprietary hardware that simply 
has a Free & Open interface..

H
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