(If it appears that I'm replying slow, I'm just being flooded by
replies right now.. I love it)
On 11 Nov 2007, at 21:45, Timothy Normand Miller wrote:
On 11/11/07, Michael Meeuwisse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
*snip*
IANAL and not a business person either, but I just wanted to make
sure that there isn't a smart-ass out there who starts producing my
design and selling it, without giving me (and thus, the project) a
penny. With GPL or some-sort, I think they might be able to actually
do that, so I tagged CC-NC-SA-3.0 on it for now.
OGD1 isn't in any better position. In fact, our more expensive design
(in terms of development costs and production costs) puts us at
greater risk. However, we've put a GPL license on it, for what it's
worth. Frankly, with the exception of a wholesale identical copy, any
of us would have some trouble proving in court that someone had nicked
our design.
What you really have is a dual-license, with one end being GPL, if I
understood correctly. If you want to contribute to the project, you
have to agree with both licenses. Right? In any case, I want to go
with something like that as well but as I said, IANAL, so I can't
just write up a second license like that. That's why I went for the
CC right now, it makes it possible to give all this info without me
having to worry about the legal nitty details first.
Also, to be honest, the company most likely to want to clone your
design would be Traversal, and we wouldn't "just take it." Even if
you had put GPL on it, we are acutely aware of the personal and
ethical aspects of doing a design like this. We would negotiate a
mutually-beneficial arrangement, or failing that, drop the idea
entirely.
Call me cynical, but the world isn't that pretty. Still, good to know ;)
Another point what I'd like to make is that my recent 'interest' in
how OGP is going to tackle VGA is largely also self-interest. If I'll
be able to load (at least parts) of the design into my card, I'll be
saving buckets of time. And hopefully vice versa.
We're definitely on the same page here. Do take note of our SVN
commit policy so that you can make informed choices about what parts
of your work become available to Traversal for commercial licensing.
This is all a bit future talk, but now that you bring this up I might
as well continue on it;
Right now what isn't clear for me is whether or not I could use any
code from the SVN with 'just' the GPL license above it. I believe
that's not the case, and if my card would at some point be mass
produced, that would cause troubles because I wouldn't be able to
flash this code on it. The second clause of the license doesn't
exactly cover this titbit. If it's left out, do the other clauses
still matter (clause 4 for example won't make sense).
Long story short, will I be able to use stuff from SVN with just a
GPL license slapped on it instead of the dual license?
All code I'm writing myself will be put under any licenses at my
discretion, so I can put it in license X* for my own project and the
'traversal license' for OGP. Which I will, if that piece is useful
for OGP. But the moment other people start adding to project VGA
there's a change the above story occurs, but then that OGP has to
work it's way around license X.
In all cases we want to avoid a whole linux-steals-from-bsd story
there was recently.
http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20070829001634
--
Timothy Normand Miller
http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~millerti
Open Graphics Project
Mike
www.wacco.mveas.com - Project VGA
*X being whatever it ends up being, some kind of dual license thing.
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