Hello,
On Sat, Jan 26, 2008 at 12:07:38PM -0600, Terry Hancock wrote:
> Regarding jb's remark about zero-cost Linux versions of Xilinx software,
> can anyone field this comment?
> 
> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/interview_a_graphic_view_of_the_open_hardware_movement_part_1_motivations#comments
> 
> """
> Xilinx's tools *are* available for Linux for free
> (http://www.xilinx.com/support/download/i92linwp.htm). Admittedly, the
> same can't be said for Altera or Lattice.
> """
> 
> I'm not sure if this is true, or if this isn't quite the right software
> that is needed. OTOH, if it *is* then maybe this information is actually
> useful to OGP?

The free tools only work with really tiny FPGAs, you can not select the
bigger ones.
Another point, though I do not know if this is maybe the "industry
standard" is that I find the Xilinx tools, at least ISE/Xst just not
suitable for serious use.
It starts with small issues, like a missing ';' completely confusing
there parser, making it give completely unrelated and nonsensical errors
(something I haven't seen with software compiler since a decade),
not even warning about things it simply cannot synthesize correctly
while spewing out hundreds of warnings that are completely normal but
can not be disabled (to my limited knowledge), and finally with complex
code it needs frequent fine-tuning of options just to not make it simply
crash.
As a caveat: I am a software developer mainly, so this may be foremost a
severe case of "every new user discovers a new class of bugs",
nevertheless I can not help being convinced that Xilinx does not have a
QA department (at least for the software side of things).

Greetings,
Reimar Döffinger
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