I've added some notes about that

http://wiki.opencog.org/w/ExtensionalImplicationScopeLink#Remarks

My feeling based is that the ImplicationScopeLink (I mean, either mixed, extensional or intensional) is what we want in most cases, which is good given that it's syntactically simpler than wrapping an AverageLink or ForAllLink around an implication.

Nil

On 11/08/2016 01:37 AM, Ben Goertzel wrote:
I think this may be what the

AverageQuantifierLink

used to do?

Then we could say

AverageQuantifierLink
    VariableNode x
    ImplicationLink
        P(x)
        Q(x)

and this would do what PLN needs... and if Bob had a different kind of
logic with its own formulas he could have

BobsQuantifierLink
    VariableNode x
    ImplicationLink
        P(x)
        Q(x)

But I'm not sure this would satisfy all Nil's current requirements?

ben

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:28 PM, Linas Vepstas <[email protected]> wrote:
OK, that makes sense.  In that case, though, why not invent a new
SpecialAllLink which has the desired properties?  Inventing one new link for
this would be more economical, and less confusing than having six new links:

ImplicationScope
IntentionalImplicationScope
ExtensionalImplicationScope
EquivalenceScope
IntensionalEquivalenceScope
ExtensionalEquivalenceScope

which is what the current code does.

Besides, come the day you want to change the PLN formula, or create yet
another one, you would just need a NewFormulaLink  instead of six new links.

--linas

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote:

If we have

ImplicationScopeLink
     VariableNode  x
     P(x)
     Q(x)

then e.g. PLN can assign this a truth value equal to

Sum_x ( max( P(x), Q(x)) ) / Sum_x P(x)

or

Sum_x ( P(x) * Q(x) ) / Sum_x P(x)

but may assign a quite different truth value for

ForAllLink
    VariableNode x
    ImplicationLink
        P(x)
        Q(x)


PLN does assign these two constructs different uncertain truth values,
so this is not just a theoretical difference...

Other uncertain logic frameworks may also assign the two constructs
different TVs, I would think...

ben
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