Arghhhh. That's absurd on so many different levels. I don't even know where to begin. Jeff, I hope that you're trying to be funny or provocative, and not serious...
--linas On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 8:53 AM Jeff Thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > If you keep showing the ovlbviously fake chatbot vaudville show of Sophia > as the demonstration of Atomspace technology, then what do.you expect? > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018, 12:20 Roman Treutlein <[email protected] wrote: > >> I think if we want to increase the user-base for the AtomSpace we need to >> market it more/differently. I just tried to find the Atomspace by googling >> combinations of {graph,hypergrah, databse,comparison,...} and I can't. >> Googling "atomspace graph database" only has 4000 results whereas "neo4j >> graph database" has 466000 results. So it doesn't really matter how >> advanced the Atomspace is if nobody can find it. >> >> And I don't think adding more features like a Tinkerpop like API will >> help in that regard. So far we are a bunch of software engineers working on >> the Atomspace so we can use it for OpenCog and I don't know of anybody that >> uses the AtomSpace outside of OpenCog. So to get more user we would need >> people that work on and try to push/sell the Atomspace as an >> independent product with its own Website and stuff. No idea who would/could >> do something like that. But this is my opinion on the topic. >> >> On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 12:02:52 AM UTC+1, linas wrote: >>> >>> So: >>> Here's a quick, unstructured, randomized review of TinkerPop vs. the >>> AtomSpace. >>> >>> * There are many similarities. For example, both tinkerpop and the >>> atomspace have a key-value store per vertex/edge. Tinkerpop edges have >>> valency-2 (one vertex at each end of the edge) and are untyped. Atomspace >>> edges have any valency and are typed. (an atomspace edge aka link, can have >>> two vertexes in it .. or 1 or 3 or 0 or 23... also, a link can contain >>> links. The atomspace stores hypergraphs.) >>> >>> * Tinkerpop4, when it's available, will be hostable by "any" suitable >>> database platform. The AtomSpace has already played in this area: an >>> unsuccessful hosting on memcachedb, a successful hosting on postgres, an >>> unsuccessful one on hypertable, an unsuccessful one on neo4j. The failure >>> reasons are highly variable: memcachedb was too slow. The hypertable >>> developer fundamentally misunderstood the problem. neo4j was too slow (had >>> too large a communications overhead). >>> >>> * Both the atomspace and tinkerpop4 benefit from underlying DB >>> technology: Postgres is highly scalable, yay! Someday, Atomspace will have >>> an Apache Ignite backend, which is also highly scalable. Yay! >>> >>> * Tinkerpop has a MUCH larger development community than the AtomSpace. >>> Which means that they've done stuff long ago that are still in planning >>> stages for us. For example, "the property graph model", which the Atomspace >>> needs but doesn't have (We have real customers for this: the AGI-BIO guys >>> want this! No one is working on it!) (So, for example, key-value pairs >>> are permission-based; AGI-bio wants to overload values, based on the >>> permissions that a given user has, so e.g. there is a read-only version of >>> genomic data, and multiple read-write layers on top of it, that different >>> researchers update. Someone needs to work on this!) >>> >>> * The Gremlin traversal language is almost exactly like a an atomspace >>> pattern with a single clause. There is no concept of a multi-clause >>> traversal in Gremlin. >>> >>> After this, the differences between the two compound and diverge. >>> >>> * The Gremlin traversal language can be compiled to bytecode, and >>> shipped off to be executed remotely. Could we do something similar? Yeah, I >>> guess. But its never been the goal of the atomspace to be a generic wrapper >>> on top of existing OLAP/OLTP systems, so we've never given this much >>> thought. >>> >>> My biggest question/frustration: >>> >>> How can we increase the user-base for the AtomSpace? It's kind of >>> frustrating that the adoption rate for the AtomSpace remains low, even as >>> graph databases become ever more popular. It feels like we're getting left >>> in the dust, and yet, whenever I look around, it feels like we're two steps >>> ahead of everyone else. So I can't figure out if we're winning or loosing. >>> Increasing adoption would really really help... >>> >>> -- Linas >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 3:20 PM Amirouche Boubekki < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> https://zenodo.org/record/1476234/files/forth-kind.pdf?download=1 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "opencog" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/09200c55-4f0d-4197-8835-a21859a11442%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/09200c55-4f0d-4197-8835-a21859a11442%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> cassette tapes - analog TV - film cameras - you >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "opencog" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/752eeee7-eadf-4bc3-926a-bff1ba5860e1%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/752eeee7-eadf-4bc3-926a-bff1ba5860e1%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "opencog" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CACOF_x%3D6D-H2NgAkZmNddGzchtZDB4g7WN18SNMMo_LB7Ug3EQ%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CACOF_x%3D6D-H2NgAkZmNddGzchtZDB4g7WN18SNMMo_LB7Ug3EQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- cassette tapes - analog TV - film cameras - you -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "opencog" group. 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