Hi Linas My first time entering the room and curious to see how this works. Replace “if” with “when”
On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 6:54 PM Linas Vepstas <[email protected]> wrote: > Well yes. What's truly remarkable is how frequently that lesson has to be > re-learned. There are vast swaths of the AI industry that still have not > learned it, and are deluding themselves into thinking that they've made > bold progress, when they've gotten nowhere at all, and seem blithely > unaware that they are repeating the same mistake... again. > > I refer, of course, to the deep-learning true-believers. They have made > the fundamental mistake of thinking that their various network designs > provide an adequate representation of reality. How little do they seem to > realize that all that code, running hand-tuned on some GPU is just, and I > quote Sutton, here: "leveraged human understanding of the special > structure of chess". Except, cross out "chess" and replace with > "dimensional reduction" or "weight vector" or whatever buzzword-bingo is > popular in the deep-learning field these days. > > I'm back again to insisting that "patterns matter". If you can't spot the > pattern, you've not accomplished anything. Neural nets can't spot patterns. > They're certainly interesting for various reasons, but, as an AGI > technology, they are every bit a dead-end as the hand-crafted English > link-grammar dictionary. > > This is one reason I'm sort of plinking away, working on unfashionable > things. I'm thinking simply that they are more generic. and more powerful. > But perhaps the problem is recursive: perhaps I'm just "leveraging my > human understanding of the special structure of patterns", and will hit a > wall someday. For now, it seems that my wall is more distant. If only I > could convince others ... > > --linas > > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 5:14 PM Paul McQuesten <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Linas, >> >> I think this reinforces your view of learning from data, instead of >> adding more human-curated rules: >> http://incompleteideas.net/IncIdeas/BitterLesson.html >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "link-grammar" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/link-grammar/464d1f92-00b7-4780-870a-2156229b4567o%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/link-grammar/464d1f92-00b7-4780-870a-2156229b4567o%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . > > >> > > -- > Verbogeny is one of the pleasurettes of a creatific thinkerizer. > --Peter da Silva > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "opencog" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAHrUA36x8QBXGUg4f9BMw5StdhRu1WFjFr_9ySo_vZesMeZrTA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAHrUA36x8QBXGUg4f9BMw5StdhRu1WFjFr_9ySo_vZesMeZrTA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "opencog" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAJxQZ1aB84Kd-5TPhXD4nkGgjnx3V8P810fofmkLuH1hqfsQ0w%40mail.gmail.com.
