Thank you, I'll take some time to think about it if you don't mind. čet, 23. ruj 2021. u 17:34 Linas Vepstas <[email protected]> napisao je:
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 3:15 AM Ivan V. <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Just a quick question while we're at it, if I may: what is the best way > to communicate between web browser and atomspace? > > Currently, none. The "atomspace explorer" used an atomspace server > that was weird, slow, mis-designed, old and incomplete... > > Let me take you on a trip. > > What is really needed are some javascript bindings that talk to the > cogserver. It is very easy, trivial, even, to talk to the cogserver, > and get a reply. The hard part is to convert the results into whatever > javascript you want -- we do not have any existing layer for that. > Creating this layer would be an excellent project. > > Thus, for example: > -- use javascript to open a socket to 17001 > -- send command over that socket; for example, > `(cog-value (Concept "foo") (Predicate "some key"))` > -- read the result, for example > `(FloatValue 1.000000 2.000000 3.00000)` > -- close the socket, or re-use it. > > Great! But how do you convert `(FloatValue 1.000000 2.000000 > 3.00000)` into what you want? (What do you want?) > > Now, before you get on that airplane, and start writing code to use > javascript to talk to the cogserver, consider this: > > If you wrote that code, you would have to cache the results locally, > in javascript. That is, you would have to create a local, in-browser > copy of (Concept "foo") and (Predicate "some key") and remember that > (FloatValue 1 2 3) is attached to it. In other words, you would be > re-inventing the atomspace, locally, running inside the browser. Good > god, why? We already have an atomspace, why reinvent a > browser-specific one? (Because this is what things like the > atomspace-explorer were doing.) > > The correct solution is this: create javascript bindings for the > atomspace. That's it, end of story. Want to talk to some remote > AtomSpace? Just use the CogStorageNode! That's it, you're done. > > I'll stop writing the email here .. because there is nothing more to > say! People who use web browsers need javascript. If we had javascript > binding to the atomspace, you would have it in your browser. > > If you want to create these bindings, I'l create a github repo under > the opencog project, give you full write permission, and you can do > whatever in there. I'm sure many people could use them. > > --linas > > > > > čet, 23. ruj 2021. u 08:24 Linas Vepstas <[email protected]> > napisao je: > >> > >> On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 12:44 AM Ivan V. <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > As for the visualization tool, I'll have more time in a few weeks > when I settle some of my obligations. > >> > >> You don't have to make promises! There is no intent to guilt-trip you > >> into doing something. > >> > >> > Then, a kind of OpenCog debugger (or IDE) is what I have on my mind. > >> > >> In the end, whatever you create has to be for yourself, for your own > >> entertainment. If it turns out to be useful for others, that would be > >> wonderful, but, as this long conversation has shown, there's no > >> general vision of what anyone wants. Different people want different > >> things; what's useful for one is useless for another. > >> > >> > It would be something like an atomspace editor communicating to > cogserver, showing inference trees related to edited fragments. Nothing too > fancy, no dozens of options, just a simple atomspace expressions writing > aid, as minimalistic as it can get, with an editor on the left and related > inference trees on the right side. > >> > >> Two part reply. (1) inference trees are very specific to the PLN > >> backward chainer, and have almost nothing to do with the atomspace. > >> (other than that they are kept in the atomspace ... for a while .. > >> until they are deleted. Nil can supply those if that is what you > >> really want.) > >> > >> (2) Don't worry about the cogserver. Don't use the cogserver. Just > >> work with the atomspace directly. Why? (a) you don't need the > >> cogserver to get things done. (b) if you absolutely must have a > >> network connection to some remote AtomSpace, use the CogStorageNode > >> -- it will automatically open a network connection to a remote > >> AtomSpace, and it will automatically trade atoms with it, bringing > >> them over to your local AtomSpace. You just have to specify which > >> atoms. If you are not sure which atoms, you can easily run a query on > >> the remote AtomSpace. > >> > >> Documentation: > >> https://wiki.opencog.org/w/CogStorageNode > >> > >> Demos: > >> https://github.com/opencog/atomspace-cog/tree/master/examples > >> > >> -- linas > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Patrick: Are they laughing at us? > >> Sponge Bob: No, Patrick, they are laughing next to us. > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "opencog" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to [email protected]. > >> To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAHrUA34zZ%2BqFdgycq8PQjp1BvikD0b1Y8HSRSebMMxCfeF5p8Q%40mail.gmail.com > . > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "opencog" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to [email protected]. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAB5%3Dj6UkUirdXC9h7fmgzHvaZzz46coGYTUAU2TdqigTEXX4xw%40mail.gmail.com > . > > > > -- > Patrick: Are they laughing at us? > Sponge Bob: No, Patrick, they are laughing next to us. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "opencog" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAHrUA35-K8V6T3V%2BM7nLSze0NdPhcuk9txBNAoMAd1XJ%3DGekEw%40mail.gmail.com > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "opencog" group. 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