Again... please do not misunderstand my recommendation to give payers
direct access to EHR information to be a recommendation of
*unrestricted* access.  I'm not sure exactly how we will control it, but
I would argue for payers having access to no more information than they
have access to today.

Here's the dilemma I see for doctors.  In the US, a patient essentially
gives the payer a "blank check" to ask his doctor for any health data
required to support any claim... which the doctor must spend human and
system resources to send to the payer.  Because doctors like to get
paid, they usually do not question payers or make them explain WHY any
particular health information is needed.  Providers, as the principal
custodian on behalf of their patients, probably SHOULD force payers to
justify such requests, but there is no mechanism, venue, or guidelines
for that... so we don't do it.  We also know that if push comes to
shove,  the payer in most cases can send an audit team to your office
and rifle through every record you own.

In general, making it easier for the payer to get the data by its own
effort removes cost from provider AND payer operations because much of
the claim process is eliminated.  So that's a good thing for the doctor.
Depending on the security/access policies, however, this might also
allow the payer to more easily look at MORE information... something
most patients and provider would consider a bad thing.

This privacy/fear issue will have to be resolved eventually.  Doctors
and patients must help us to develop a formal model of security and
access requirements for health records (as Dr. Cohen has described in
his paper, mentioned last week:
http://www.soi.city.ac.uk/~bernie/hsp.pdf)  and that model should be
tested against real-life scenarios to be sure that we are really willing
to pay for and live with the level of security that doctors and patients
[think they] want.  Obviously, the issue of what payers REALLY need to
know or are implicitly allowed to ask for (or dig up on their own) will
be critical to this discussion.

The discussion, by the way, should take place in an accredited standards
body, rather than in Congress or an administrative rule-making authority
like DHHS.  All the law should have to say is "respect the standard"...
the chapter and verse of how to do that should be developed and
maintained by a consensus-driven SDO, in which payers and providers have
equal voice.

Christopher J. Feahr, O.D.
Optiserv Consulting (Vision Industry)
Office: (707) 579-4984
Cell: (707) 529-2268
http://Optiserv.com
http://VisionDataStandard.org
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karsten Hilbert" <[email protected]>
To: <openehr-technical at openehr.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: HISTORY DATA SET IN EPR


> > Well... yes... I'm dreaming a little... I'll grant you that.
> Nah, what I mean is ...
>
> >   If we could point today (in the US)
> > to the system that I am imagining... one in which payers could reach
out
> > as needed and query EHR systems for data to support adjudication,
> ... that this is nothing I am going to support in any way. The
> payor has no business reading my EHR at will. Although ...
>
> > At the end of the day, each payer wants a virtually unique data set
to
> > support its claims.  I think we should point them to the
EHR-landfill
> > and hand them a shovel... I have patients to see!
> ... I do acknowledge this reason for wishing we could just do so.
>
> Karsten
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