Bill Walton wrote:

 >Hi Thomas,
 >
 >Thomas Beale wrote:
 >
 >>So. What do we know?
 >>- role-based access control is required. To make it work properly in a
 >>shared care community context (e.g. a hospital, 50 GPs, aged care homes,
 >>nursing care, social workers etc etc) then the roles need to be defined
 >>congruently. I seem to remember some Canadian project coming to the
 >>conclusion that really the roles need to be defined the same across the
 >>entire (national) health care system. I think this is both correct and a
 >>the same time unrealistic.
 >>
 >>
 >
 >With all due respect, Thomas, it it's unrealistic then, IMO, it can't be
 >correct.  (Pragmatism R Us ;-) )
 >
 >I'd like to offer food for thought.  The fundamental assumption at 
work here
 >seems to be that care givers will access the same system, thus driving the
 >need for all users of the system to be assigned roles that are defined
 >congruently.  Let's consider an alternative model.
 >
when I wrote "health system" above, I meant the whole health delivery
system in a country or region, not literally an information system.

 >
 >When I travel from the U.S. to the U.K., I (the physical being) move from
 >one socio-cultural-legal model to another.  That does not change who / 
what
 >I am, but it does change my behavior because I operate under a 
different set
 >of norms and mores in the new environment.  I accept new forms of
 >interaction and find that familiar forms are no longer available.
 >
 >Why should it be any different for the information about me than it is for
 >me?
 >
exactly right. So many aspects of security, care process, what
archetypes are used etc will change.

 >If we work from a perspective that posits that health information will 
move
 >from system to system and be used / modified based on the rule sets in 
place
 >within the various systems, does that make the problem more amenable to
 >solution?
 >
I think this is our base assumption. All I wanted to say above is that
access control rules somehow have to deal with the varying definitions
of same-named roles across widely differing jurisdictions.

I like Mike's paper too, I need to give it more thought.

- thomas



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