Does the data originally come directly from an electronic patient record or are the clinicians entering the data at a later stage purely for analysis purposes
Can you email me a sample of a data collection form or screenshot so I can get a better idea of the process? I am not sure if this list will accept attachments - if not you can email me directly. Ian Dr Ian McNicoll office / fax +44(0)141 560 4657 mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 skype ianmcnicoll ian at mcmi.co.uk Clinical Analyst - Ocean Informatics ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com Member of BCS Primary Health Care Specialist Group ? www.phcsg.org 2008/11/26 Olof Torgersson <oloft at chalmers.se> > Hi, > Thanks for your reply. > > To explain further, our clinicians are used to working with data in > Excel/SPSS and our own visual data mining tool. > > Then they compare values for different patient groups for > terms/attributes/variables like Mucos-txtur. > > Displaying real names of nodes like > /a/b/c/d[at0033]g/h, would not be understandable for clinicians. > Displaying the rather descriptive phrases used for 'text', like > 'Reaction pattern of the oral mucosa' would not be good either. A short > agreed upon would be better. > > I have not yet been able to investigate if what you suggest is possible to > achieve > > Regards > > Olof > 26 nov 2008 kl. 01.43 skrev Ian McNicoll: > > Hi Olef, > > I would regard 'Mucos-txtur 'as part of a local terminology and the best > way to handle it would be by binding this code to the natural language term > of the archetype node name.. i.e 'Mucosal Reaction'->Mucos-txtur. > > I am not sure of the technical/governance arrangements for using such local > terminologies with openEHR - can anyone advise? > > Ian > > Dr Ian McNicoll > office / fax +44(0)141 560 4657 > mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 > skype ianmcnicoll > ian at mcmi.co.uk > > Clinical Analyst - Ocean Informatics ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com > > Member of BCS Primary Health Care Specialist Group ? www.phcsg.org > > > 2008/11/25 Olof Torgersson <oloft at chalmers.se> > >> Thanks for your reply. I'll check your hints. >> A more concrete version along the same lines. I have a system developed >> for the domain of oral medicine during a number of years. During this time >> the clinicians involved have agreed upon names for various terms >> (corresponding to node names I believe). >> >> For instance Mucos-txtur denotes the pattern of reaction of the oral >> mucosa and has a set of possible values defined by the clinicians. >> On screen Mucos-txtur is not displayed, but a suitable phrase in natural >> language. >> >> When modelling the same information in openEHR I would like to keep the >> name Mucos-txtur, but if I do that it will be displayed on screen >> in both the archetype and template editor as the label for the input >> field. While this can be changed in the template editor it is not really a >> nice solution. >> >> regards >> >> Olof >> >> 25 nov 2008 kl. 23.53 skrev Ian McNicoll: >> >> Hi Olef, >> >> The text is the Node name, the Description is simply a more detailed >> explanation of the meaning of the node. Further term bindings are indeed >> possible... >> >> In the Archetype Editor, have a look at the Details tab and then at the >> "Node meaning in Terminologies". It is possible to bind one or more external >> terms to any local term in openEHR- this is a quick way of binding the node >> name. >> >> Also look at the Terminology Tab near the top of the screen, then Term >> Bindings, where any local text term can be bound to a single external term. >> It is also possible to bid any local term to an external termset via the >> Constraints tab. In the absence of any universally agreed formal method of >> describing termsets, this currently uses a descriptive 'placeholder' e.g >> is_a Cardiac Disease. >> >> Have a look in the Reference model specification for the DV_TEXT type for >> more detailed information on Term binding, constraints >> >> http://www.openehr.org/releases/1.0.1/architecture/rm/data_types_im.pdf >> >> Cheers, >> Ian >> >> Dr Ian McNicoll >> office / fax +44(0)141 560 4657 >> mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 >> skype ianmcnicoll >> ian at mcmi.co.uk >> >> Clinical Analyst - Ocean Informatics ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com >> BCS Primary Health Care Specialist Group ? www.phcsg.org >> >> >> 2008/11/25 Olof Torgersson <oloft at chalmers.se> >> >>> Hi, >>> In openEHR there are two labels 'text' and 'description' used. >>> >>> For instance >>> >>> text = "Increased bowel sounds" >>> description="Bowel sounds are more intense than normal" >>> >>> In the tools I have tested 'text' is used as a label to input fields. >>> >>> To me it would have been more natural to have 3 items, let's say 'term', >>> 'text' and 'description' where term could be some agreed >>> upon language independent code and text and description are localised >>> into different languages. >>> >>> I guess this has been considered, but my question then is if something >>> like this was considered what were the reasons for discarding >>> such an approach? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Olof Torgersson >>> >>> --- >>> Olof Torgersson >>> >>> Associate Professor >>> Department of Computer Science and Engineering >>> Chalmers University of Technology and G?teborg University >>> SE-412 96 G?teborg, Sweden >>> >>> email: oloft at chalmers.se >>> phone: +46 31 772 54 06 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> openEHR-technical mailing list >>> openEHR-technical at openehr.org >>> http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> openEHR-technical mailing list >> openEHR-technical at openehr.org >> http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical >> >> >> --- >> Olof Torgersson >> >> Associate Professor >> Department of Computer Science and Engineering >> Chalmers University of Technology and G?teborg University >> SE-412 96 G?teborg, Sweden >> >> email: oloft at chalmers.se >> phone: +46 31 772 54 06 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> openEHR-technical mailing list >> openEHR-technical at openehr.org >> http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical >> >> > _______________________________________________ > openEHR-technical mailing list > openEHR-technical at openehr.org > http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical > > > --- > Olof Torgersson > > Associate Professor > Department of Computer Science and Engineering > Chalmers University of Technology and G?teborg University > SE-412 96 G?teborg, Sweden > > email: oloft at chalmers.se > phone: +46 31 772 54 06 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > openEHR-technical mailing list > openEHR-technical at openehr.org > http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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