Hi, Apologies in advance if this is the incorrect email list for this topic, but I thought it was the most relevant.
I'm a member of OpenMRS and there we are discussion a way to have users share the concepts (a limited form of an archetype) created in their systems. This means that for a single concept you could have many concepts from different implementations. This could be because of language or because different words refer to the same concept. For example, Gender in the US might be Sex in another country and Sexo in spanish. I would like to see if OpenEHR has solved this problem so that perhaps OpenMRS could begin to use archetypes. Thanks Joaquin -----Original Message----- From: openehr-technical-request at openehr.org [[email protected]] Received: Monday, 01 Aug 2011, 18:27 To: openehr-technical at openehr.org [openehr-technical at openehr.org] Subject: openEHR-technical Digest, Vol 61, Issue 1 Send openEHR-technical mailing list submissions to openehr-technical at openehr.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to openehr-technical-request at openehr.org You can reach the person managing the list at openehr-technical-owner at openehr.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of openEHR-technical digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Multiple values in C_DV_ORDINAL constraints (Ian McNicoll) 2. Re: Multiple values in C_DV_ORDINAL constraints (Thomas Beale) 3. AUTO: Amnon Shabo is out of the office. (returning 11/08/2011) (Amnon Shabo) 4. Re: Multiple values in C_DV_ORDINAL constraints (Ian McNicoll) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:17:16 +0100 From: Ian McNicoll <[email protected]> Subject: Multiple values in C_DV_ORDINAL constraints To: For openEHR technical discussions <openehr-technical at chime.ucl.ac.uk>, For openEHR clinical discussions <openehr-clinical at chime.ucl.ac.uk> Message-ID: <CAG-n1KyO==CMadsWqE6D1OLoRXNqp4jhKm8rX0ANAqiEave-HQ at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have come across an interesting example of where we might want to model an ordinal constraint where the values associated with each term are not unique. The example is the Waterlow Score http://www.judy-waterlow.co.uk/downloads/Waterlow%20Score%20Card-front.pdf If you look at the bottom-right corner "Major surgery / Trauma" you will se that two terms have identical values. Currently the openEHR Archetype Editor will not let me add duplicate values with separate terms. It is not clear (at least to me) from the specifications that this behaviour is correct. Is this a CR for the Archetype Editor, a CR to the Ref Model, or a clever alternative modelling suggestion to me? Regards, Ian Dr Ian McNicoll office +44 (0)1536 414 994 fax +44 (0)1536 516317 mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 skype ianmcnicoll ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com Clinical Modelling Consultant,?Ocean Informatics, UK openEHR Clinical Knowledge Editor www.openehr.org/knowledge<http://www.openehr.org/knowledge> Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL BCS Primary Health Care ?www.phcsg.org ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 17:04:14 +0100 From: Thomas Beale <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Multiple values in C_DV_ORDINAL constraints To: openehr-clinical at openehr.org, Openehr-Technical <openehr-technical at openehr.org> Message-ID: <4E36CE7E.8070707 at oceaninformatics.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If we consider this an ordinal based model, in which numbers which have multiple possible values, e.g. skin type: 1 is for tissue paper dry, oedematous, etc - this would be modelling using terminological synonyms for a notional term whose meaning was something like 'waterlow skin type 1'. - thomas On 01/08/2011 16:17, Ian McNicoll wrote: > I have come across an interesting example of where we might want to > model an ordinal constraint where the values associated with each term > are not unique. > > The example is the Waterlow Score > > http://www.judy-waterlow.co.uk/downloads/Waterlow%20Score%20Card-front.pdf > > If you look at the bottom-right corner "Major surgery / Trauma" you > will se that two terms have identical values. > > Currently the openEHR Archetype Editor will not let me add duplicate > values with separate terms. It is not clear (at least to me) from the > specifications that this behaviour is correct. > > Is this a CR for the Archetype Editor, a CR to the Ref Model, or a > clever alternative modelling suggestion to me? > > Regards, > > Ian > Dr Ian McNicoll > office +44 (0)1536 414 994 > fax +44 (0)1536 516317 > mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 > skype ianmcnicoll > ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com > > Clinical Modelling Consultant, Ocean Informatics, UK > openEHR Clinical Knowledge Editor > www.openehr.org/knowledge<http://www.openehr.org/knowledge> > Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL > BCS Primary Health Care www.phcsg.org<http://www.phcsg.org> > > _______________________________________________ > openEHR-clinical mailing list > openEHR-clinical at openehr.org > http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical > -- Ocean Informatics *Thomas Beale Chief Technology Officer, Ocean Informatics <http://www.oceaninformatics.com/>* Chair Architectural Review Board, /open/EHR Foundation <http://www.openehr.org/> Honorary Research Fellow, University College London <http://www.chime.ucl.ac.uk/> Chartered IT Professional Fellow, BCS, British Computer Society <http://www.bcs.org.uk/> Health IT blog <http://www.wolandscat.net/> * * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For Standards Issue, please contact Karen Witting at witting at us.ibm.com or Rich Rogers at rrogers at us.ibm.com ? For any other urgent issue, please send a text message to my cell phone at +972-54-4714070 Thanks, Amnon. Note: This is an automated response to your message "Multiple values in C_DV_ORDINAL constraints" sent on 1/8/2011 18:17:16. This is the only notification you will receive while this person is away. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 23:22:21 +0100 From: Ian McNicoll <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Multiple values in C_DV_ORDINAL constraints To: For openEHR clinical discussions <openehr-clinical at openehr.org> Cc: Openehr-Technical <openehr-technical at openehr.org> Message-ID: <CAG-n1KzpNQDMJgZ9ZdTz_XBsd4-4NPGtvNGT00bBZzVoHdVVnw at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Thomas, I am not quite sure what you are saying here, though I agree, in essence, the scoring system, like most others, is flattening a variety of patient findings into a single term which also then carries a score. The problem is that whilst the ordinal terms are unique, the related values are not and can have duplicates. So is this a valid ordinal ? ordinal constraint? Ian Dr Ian McNicoll office +44 (0)1536 414 994 fax +44 (0)1536 516317 mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 skype ianmcnicoll ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com Clinical Modelling Consultant, Ocean Informatics, UK openEHR Clinical Knowledge Editor www.openehr.org/knowledge<http://www.openehr.org/knowledge> Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL BCS Primary Health Care www.phcsg.org<http://www.phcsg.org> On 1 August 2011 17:04, Thomas Beale <thomas.beale at oceaninformatics.com>wrote: > If we consider this an ordinal based model, in which numbers which have > multiple possible values, e.g. skin type: 1 is for tissue paper dry, > oedematous, etc - this would be modelling using terminological synonyms for > a notional term whose meaning was something like 'waterlow skin type 1'. > > - thomas > > > On 01/08/2011 16:17, Ian McNicoll wrote: > > I have come across an interesting example of where we might want to > model an ordinal constraint where the values associated with each term > are not unique. > > The example is the Waterlow Score > http://www.judy-waterlow.co.uk/downloads/Waterlow%20Score%20Card-front.pdf > > If you look at the bottom-right corner "Major surgery / Trauma" you > will se that two terms have identical values. > > Currently the openEHR Archetype Editor will not let me add duplicate > values with separate terms. It is not clear (at least to me) from the > specifications that this behaviour is correct. > > Is this a CR for the Archetype Editor, a CR to the Ref Model, or a > clever alternative modelling suggestion to me? > > Regards, > > Ian > Dr Ian McNicoll > office +44 (0)1536 414 994 > fax +44 (0)1536 516317 > mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 > skype ianmcnicollian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com > > Clinical Modelling Consultant, Ocean Informatics, UK > openEHR Clinical Knowledge Editor > www.openehr.org/knowledge<http://www.openehr.org/knowledge> > Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL > BCS Primary Health Care www.phcsg.org<http://www.phcsg.org> > > > _______________________________________________ > openEHR-clinical mailing list > openEHR-clinical at > openehr.orghttp://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical > > > > -- > [image: Ocean Informatics] *Thomas Beale > Chief Technology Officer, Ocean Informatics<http://www.oceaninformatics.com/> > * > > Chair Architectural Review Board, *open*EHR > Foundation<http://www.openehr.org/> > Honorary Research Fellow, University College > London<http://www.chime.ucl.ac.uk/> > Chartered IT Professional Fellow, BCS, British Computer > Society<http://www.bcs.org.uk/> > Health IT blog <http://www.wolandscat.net/> > * > * > > _______________________________________________ > openEHR-clinical mailing list > openEHR-clinical at openehr.org > http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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