Hi Joaquin OpenEHR is a language and ontology neutral, standard. Archetype class is ready for translations via its ancestor: AUTHORED_RESOURCE that has unbounded instances of TRANSLATION_DETAILS. Several phrases (words) pertaining to a sole concept can be implemented via Terminology package that helps with assigning terminologies of any kind to map to Archetype parts.
Regards On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Blaya, Joaquin Andres < joaquin_blaya at hms.harvard.edu> wrote: > Hi, > Apologies in advance if this is the incorrect email list for this topic, > but I thought it was the most relevant. > > I'm a member of OpenMRS and there we are discussion a way to have users > share the concepts (a limited form of an archetype) created in their > systems. This means that for a single concept you could have many concepts > from different implementations. This could be because of language or because > different words refer to the same concept. For example, Gender in the US > might be Sex in another country and Sexo in spanish. > > I would like to see if OpenEHR has solved this problem so that perhaps > OpenMRS could begin to use archetypes. > > Thanks > > Joaquin > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* openehr-technical-request at openehr.org [ > openehr-technical-request at openehr.org] > *Received:* Monday, 01 Aug 2011, 18:27 > *To:* openehr-technical at openehr.org [openehr-technical at openehr.org] > *Subject:* openEHR-technical Digest, Vol 61, Issue 1 > > Send openEHR-technical mailing list submissions to > openehr-technical at openehr.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > openehr-technical-request at openehr.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > openehr-technical-owner at openehr.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of openEHR-technical digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Multiple values in C_DV_ORDINAL constraints (Ian McNicoll) > 2. Re: Multiple values in C_DV_ORDINAL constraints (Thomas Beale) > 3. AUTO: Amnon Shabo is out of the office. (returning > 11/08/2011) (Amnon Shabo) > 4. Re: Multiple values in C_DV_ORDINAL constraints (Ian McNicoll) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:17:16 +0100 > From: Ian McNicoll <Ian.McNicoll at oceaninformatics.com> > Subject: Multiple values in C_DV_ORDINAL constraints > To: For openEHR technical discussions > <openehr-technical at chime.ucl.ac.uk>, For openEHR clinical > discussions > <openehr-clinical at chime.ucl.ac.uk> > Message-ID: > <CAG-n1KyO== > CMadsWqE6D1OLoRXNqp4jhKm8rX0ANAqiEave-HQ at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I have come across an interesting example of where we might want to > model an ordinal constraint where the values associated with each term > are not unique. > > The example is the Waterlow Score > > http://www.judy-waterlow.co.uk/downloads/Waterlow%20Score%20Card-front.pdf > > If you look at the bottom-right corner "Major surgery / Trauma" you > will se that two terms have identical values. > > Currently the openEHR Archetype Editor will not let me add duplicate > values with separate terms. It is not clear (at least to me) from the > specifications that this behaviour is correct. > > Is this a CR for the Archetype Editor, a CR to the Ref Model, or a > clever alternative modelling suggestion to me? > > Regards, > > Ian > Dr Ian McNicoll > office +44 (0)1536 414 994 > fax +44 (0)1536 516317 > mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 > skype ianmcnicoll > ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com > > Clinical Modelling Consultant,?Ocean Informatics, UK > openEHR Clinical Knowledge Editor www.openehr.org/knowledge > Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL > BCS Primary Health Care ?www.phcsg.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 17:04:14 +0100 > From: Thomas Beale <thomas.beale at oceaninformatics.com> > Subject: Re: Multiple values in C_DV_ORDINAL constraints > To: openehr-clinical at openehr.org, Openehr-Technical > <openehr-technical at openehr.org> > Message-ID: <4E36CE7E.8070707 at oceaninformatics.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > If we consider this an ordinal based model, in which numbers which have > multiple possible values, e.g. skin type: 1 is for tissue paper dry, > oedematous, etc - this would be modelling using terminological synonyms > for a notional term whose meaning was something like 'waterlow skin type > 1'. > > - thomas > > On 01/08/2011 16:17, Ian McNicoll wrote: > > I have come across an interesting example of where we might want to > > model an ordinal constraint where the values associated with each term > > are not unique. > > > > The example is the Waterlow Score > > > > > http://www.judy-waterlow.co.uk/downloads/Waterlow%20Score%20Card-front.pdf > > > > If you look at the bottom-right corner "Major surgery / Trauma" you > > will se that two terms have identical values. > > > > Currently the openEHR Archetype Editor will not let me add duplicate > > values with separate terms. It is not clear (at least to me) from the > > specifications that this behaviour is correct. > > > > Is this a CR for the Archetype Editor, a CR to the Ref Model, or a > > clever alternative modelling suggestion to me? > > > > Regards, > > > > Ian > > Dr Ian McNicoll > > office +44 (0)1536 414 994 > > fax +44 (0)1536 516317 > > mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 > > skype ianmcnicoll > > ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com > > > > Clinical Modelling Consultant, Ocean Informatics, UK > > openEHR Clinical Knowledge Editor www.openehr.org/knowledge > > Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL > > BCS Primary Health Care www.phcsg.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > openEHR-clinical mailing list > > openEHR-clinical at openehr.org > > http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical > > > > > -- > Ocean Informatics *Thomas Beale > Chief Technology Officer, Ocean Informatics > <http://www.oceaninformatics.com/>* > > Chair Architectural Review Board, /open/EHR Foundation > <http://www.openehr.org/> > Honorary Research Fellow, University College London > <http://www.chime.ucl.ac.uk/> > Chartered IT Professional Fellow, BCS, British Computer Society > <http://www.bcs.org.uk/> > Health IT blog <http://www.wolandscat.net/> > > > * > * > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/private/openehr-technical/attachments/20110801/0c1cc21c/attachment-0001.html > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: ocean_full_small.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 5828 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/private/openehr-technical/attachments/20110801/0c1cc21c/attachment-0001.jpg > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 22:02:35 +0300 > From: Amnon Shabo <SHABO at il.ibm.com> > Subject: AUTO: Amnon Shabo is out of the office. (returning > 11/08/2011) > To: For openEHR technical discussions <openehr-technical at openehr.org> > Message-ID: > < > OF0735A590.46FDC452-ONC22578DF.00689BA4-C22578DF.00689BA5 at il.ibm.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > I am out of the office until 11/08/2011. > > I have no access to IBM email during this time, therefore: > ? For Hypergenes issues, please contact Ariel Farkash at arielf at il.ibm.com > ? For Standards Issue, please contact Karen Witting at witting at us.ibm.com > or Rich Rogers at rrogers at us.ibm.com > ? For any other urgent issue, please send a text message to my cell phone > at +972-54-4714070 > Thanks, Amnon. > > > Note: This is an automated response to your message "Multiple values in > C_DV_ORDINAL constraints" sent on 1/8/2011 18:17:16. > > This is the only notification you will receive while this person is away. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 23:22:21 +0100 > From: Ian McNicoll <Ian.McNicoll at oceaninformatics.com> > Subject: Re: Multiple values in C_DV_ORDINAL constraints > To: For openEHR clinical discussions <openehr-clinical at openehr.org> > Cc: Openehr-Technical <openehr-technical at openehr.org> > Message-ID: > < > CAG-n1KzpNQDMJgZ9ZdTz_XBsd4-4NPGtvNGT00bBZzVoHdVVnw at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Thomas, > > I am not quite sure what you are saying here, though I agree, in essence, > the scoring system, like most others, is flattening a variety of patient > findings into a single term which also then carries a score. The problem is > that whilst the ordinal terms are unique, the related values are not and > can > have duplicates. > > So is this a valid ordinal ? ordinal constraint? > > Ian > > Dr Ian McNicoll > office +44 (0)1536 414 994 > fax +44 (0)1536 516317 > mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 > skype ianmcnicoll > ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com > > Clinical Modelling Consultant, Ocean Informatics, UK > openEHR Clinical Knowledge Editor www.openehr.org/knowledge > Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL > BCS Primary Health Care www.phcsg.org > > > > On 1 August 2011 17:04, Thomas Beale <thomas.beale at oceaninformatics.com > >wrote: > > > If we consider this an ordinal based model, in which numbers which have > > multiple possible values, e.g. skin type: 1 is for tissue paper dry, > > oedematous, etc - this would be modelling using terminological synonyms > for > > a notional term whose meaning was something like 'waterlow skin type 1'. > > > > - thomas > > > > > > On 01/08/2011 16:17, Ian McNicoll wrote: > > > > I have come across an interesting example of where we might want to > > model an ordinal constraint where the values associated with each term > > are not unique. > > > > The example is the Waterlow Score > > > http://www.judy-waterlow.co.uk/downloads/Waterlow%20Score%20Card-front.pdf > > > > If you look at the bottom-right corner "Major surgery / Trauma" you > > will se that two terms have identical values. > > > > Currently the openEHR Archetype Editor will not let me add duplicate > > values with separate terms. It is not clear (at least to me) from the > > specifications that this behaviour is correct. > > > > Is this a CR for the Archetype Editor, a CR to the Ref Model, or a > > clever alternative modelling suggestion to me? > > > > Regards, > > > > Ian > > Dr Ian McNicoll > > office +44 (0)1536 414 994 > > fax +44 (0)1536 516317 > > mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 > > skype ianmcnicollian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com > > > > Clinical Modelling Consultant, Ocean Informatics, UK > > openEHR Clinical Knowledge Editor www.openehr.org/knowledge > > Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL > > BCS Primary Health Care www.phcsg.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > openEHR-clinical mailing list > > openEHR-clinical at openehr.orghttp:// > lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical > > > > > > > > -- > > [image: Ocean Informatics] *Thomas Beale > > Chief Technology Officer, Ocean Informatics< > http://www.oceaninformatics.com/> > > * > > > > Chair Architectural Review Board, *open*EHR Foundation< > http://www.openehr.org/> > > Honorary Research Fellow, University College London< > http://www.chime.ucl.ac.uk/> > > Chartered IT Professional Fellow, BCS, British Computer Society< > http://www.bcs.org.uk/> > > Health IT blog <http://www.wolandscat.net/> > > * > > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > > openEHR-clinical mailing list > > openEHR-clinical at openehr.org > > http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/private/openehr-technical/attachments/20110801/06c6f646/attachment.html > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 5828 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/private/openehr-technical/attachments/20110801/06c6f646/attachment.jpe > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > openEHR-technical mailing list > openEHR-technical at openehr.org > http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical > > > End of openEHR-technical Digest, Vol 61, Issue 1 > ************************************************ > > _______________________________________________ > openEHR-technical mailing list > openEHR-technical at openehr.org > http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical > > -- Abbas Shojaee, M.D. Medical Informatics Consultant & IT Lead. 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