Hi Ian,

Not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me, but I couldn't have 
said this better, total agreement.

Cheers
Sebastian

On 18.02.2014 17:22, Ian McNicoll wrote:
> Hi Sebastian,
>
> I think the original 'one-archetype-per-concept' statement was really
> applicable within a single repository or 'framework'. Much as we might
> want there only ever to be one for the world, this was clearly only
> ever going to be possible in the very long term, and quite impossible
> for some concepts.
>
> Ian
>
> On 18 February 2014 16:05, Sebastian Garde
> <sebastian.garde at oceaninformatics.com> wrote:
>> On 18.02.2014 16:48, Bert Verhees wrote:
>>
>> On 02/18/2014 03:52 PM, Sebastian Garde wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 18.02.2014 14:56, Bert Verhees wrote:
>>
>> For example, in the OpenEHR, the idea was that CKM would serve the world
>> with archetypes, and there would be no need of a strong archetypeId-system,
>> because, all archetypes ever to be taken seriously were in CKM.
>> Now it is recognized that this is not the case, and the proposition
>> regarding archetypeIds changed.
>>
>> Hi Bert,
>> I think you would find a sufficient number of presentations and papers from
>> me and others about managing archetypes from around the time when we started
>> to work on CKM (2007) that would convince you that even then we were far
>> more realistic as to say that the openEHR CKM will serve the world with
>> archetypes.
>> We were and still are just striving towards the (lofty) aim to get as much
>> agreement/convergence as possible as well as unite the archetype development
>> efforts where possible.
>>
>>
>> Hi Sebastian, I remember, it must be a year ago, how much problems I had to
>> convince this community that the archetypeId-system, which was based on only
>> a few serious archetypes worldwide, would not do.
>>
>> You also participated in this discussion. I started that discussion about
>> here:
>> http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org/2012-December/002797.html
>>
>> Do you see how long ago it was, we needed to have this discussion? Only a
>> bit more then a year.
>>
>> Hi Bert, I am not arguing with that, I am just pointing out that you are
>> relating two things (CKM and the archetype ids) that are not related in the
>> way you said.
>> If anything, the existence of several CKMs around the world now - which can
>> all talk to each other to get each other's archetypes - highlights the need
>> for a different archetype id system.
>>
>> As for the one-archetype-per-concept-principle in that discussion you link
>> to: It is what I said in other words above, the lofty aim to agree where
>> possible. It is not one step, but rather a very long process with
>> potentially many archetypes about the same concept in e.g. different
>> regions/countries in the meantime (and likely more than one forever).
>> Sebastian
>>
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