Bert,

I fail to see the origin of any ambiguity from within openEHR. The specifications have been free and open for 15 years, since 2000 (or soon thereafter, since some were issued around 2002/2003 for the first time, and some later). This has always been clearly stated even in the old copyright notice, as well as in the current CC licence.

All of this is verifiable simply by going to the website and viewing the specifications, and that has always been the case, again, since the beginning.

Therefore, any 'ambiguity' on this subject has been manufactured from (very great) ignorance or else malice, for the agendas of other parties. There's probably not much we can do about this other than rely on the intelligence of potential user organisations to ignore nonsense when it surfaces, and get on with doing real work. If they can't even be bothered to inspect the website and primary materials, they probably are not serious about e-health.

Secondly, Ocean Informatics has nothing specific to do with any of this. It does not have any IP that is special in any way. There are a number of vendor companies that have become Industry Partners, as can be seen on the openEHR.org home page. Most of these companies have contributed some IP, which can be seen either at openEHR@Github <https://github.com/openEHR>or else in other locations that are generally well-signed from the website.

It is not up to Ocean to determine anything to do with openEHR software or other IP status - that is done by the openEHR Management board <http://www.openehr.org/about/management_board>, and/or Board of Governors <http://www.openehr.org/about/board_of_governors>, in cases where legal advice may be required.

I hope this is clearer.

- thomas

On 09/09/2015 18:09, Bert Verhees wrote:
On 09-09-15 09:55, Thomas Beale wrote:

Bert,

my comments relate to software only, contributed by companies and other organisations at their own development expense.

It has nothing to do with specifications, nor specification-related computational artefacts (grammars, XSDs, and the like). These are all issued by the foundation, copyrighted to the foundation and will always be free to use under all circumstances, as has always been the case for 15 years. This will never change.

Good to be crystal clear about this, with all the FUDders waiting for their chances. Remember, they talk with not so well informed people (govt. bureaucrats, for example) regarding licensing issues.


;-)


There are three kind of deliverables coming from OpenEHR (and Ocean)
1) The specs  (NOT DERIVABLE)
2) The CKM archetypes (archetypes can be seen as software, (say some)) (SHARE ALIKE)
3) What anyone recognizes as software (For Ocean to decide)


For me only the first part is important, but others find part 2 and/or 3 also very important, for good reasons.


What Ocean does should IMHO be anyway outside the scope of this discussion.

I hope they are going to charge lots of money for their software, the more the better.

Others are happy to fill the market-gap.


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