Hi, The project has now done a preliminary CAMSS assessment of openEHR. It’s identified some issues that I would like some input on:
1. A.16: “Are the technical specification or standards reviewed using a formal review process with all relevant external stakeholders (e.g. public consultation)?” · The review process is not described. There is a documented a"change process" (http://www.openehr.org/programs/specification/changeprocess ), but it seems to be for change. Here, however, neither “review” isn’t described any more than that input from members of the "community" is sought for major changes. 2. A.18: “Is relevant documentation of the development and approval process of the specification archived and identified?” · Issue and problem tracker available but it’s hard to find/access. Approval process archive not found. 3. A.23: “Is relevant documentation of the development and approval process of technical specification or standards publicly available (e.g. preliminary results, committee meeting notes)?” · We’ve been unable to find any minutes from meetings or preliminary results anywhere. 4. A.26: “Does the maintenance organisation for the technical specification or standard have sufficient finances and resources to be sure of freedom from short- to medium-term threats?” · Unable to find any info about this. 5. A.27: “Does the technical specification or standard have a defined policy for version management?” · The change process has a description about version numbering, but we can’t find anything about handling different versions, compatibility, etc. 6. A.45: “Are there existing or planned mechanisms to assess conformity of the implementations of the technical specification or standard (e.g. conformity tests, certifications)?” · Can’t find anything about this on the web pages. 7. A.48: “Does the technical specification or standard address backward compatibility with previous versions?” · Can’t find any info about this on the web pages. Anyone? ☺ Regards, Silje From: openEHR-technical [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bakke, Silje Ljosland Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 3:52 PM To: For openEHR technical discussions <[email protected]> Subject: RE: CAMSS assessment of openEHR Thanks again Ian! ☺ Could anyone from Slovenia provide links to documents mandating or recommending openEHR, and procurement documents referring to it? It doesn’t matter if they’re in Slovenian, the main point is that they can be proven to exist. Regards, Silje From: openEHR-technical [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian McNicoll Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 10:41 AM To: For openEHR technical discussions <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: CAMSS assessment of openEHR I have added some links. many of the questions seem inappropriate, not applicable, or virtually impossible to answer within the health domain. Ian Dr Ian McNicoll mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 office +44 (0)1536 414994 skype: ianmcnicoll email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> twitter: @ianmcnicoll [https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0BzLo3mNUvbAjT2R5Sm1DdFZYTU0&export=download] Co-Chair, openEHR Foundation [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Director, freshEHR Clinical Informatics Ltd. Director, HANDIHealth CIC Hon. Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL On 6 January 2016 at 08:00, Bakke, Silje Ljosland <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Thanks Ian! It’s good to see there are so many “yes”-es! However, we’ll need some more info, for instance links to where the “relevant documentation of the development and approval process of the specification is archived and identified”. We’ll handle the spreadsheet bit. ☺ Regards, Silje From: openEHR-technical [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Ian McNicoll Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 11:37 AM To: For openEHR technical discussions Subject: Re: CAMSS assessment of openEHR My first go now at CAMSS wiki page<https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/display/stds/CAMSS+Assessment+of+openEHR>, There appears to be a major snafu with the CAMMS spreadsheet that auto-sets 'not applicable' to most of the rows if 'open specification' is set as the standard type. This makes some sense for a proprietary specification but none whatsoever for an open specification. @Silje - you may want to seek clarification from the CAMMS authors. Ian Dr Ian McNicoll mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859<tel:%2B44%20%280%29775%20209%207859> office +44 (0)1536 414994<tel:%2B44%20%280%291536%20414994> skype: ianmcnicoll email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> twitter: @ianmcnicoll [https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0BzLo3mNUvbAjT2R5Sm1DdFZYTU0&export=download] Co-Chair, openEHR Foundation [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Director, freshEHR Clinical Informatics Ltd. Director, HANDIHealth CIC Hon. Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL On 5 January 2016 at 08:52, Bakke, Silje Ljosland <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I’ve added the CAMSS assessment table to the page. Would appreciate any help in populating the pink cells. ☺ Regards, Silje From: openEHR-technical [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Thomas Beale Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 4:08 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: CAMSS assessment of openEHR I have set up a CAMSS wiki page<https://openehr.atlassian.net/wiki/display/stds/CAMSS+Assessment+of+openEHR>, Silje if you can copy the relevant CAMSS boilerplate in (assessment table etc) and make it look vaguely presentable (make child pages if you need) then I am sure the community can get it populated quickly for you, since it's clearly of general benefit. - thomas On 04/01/2016 14:24, Bakke, Silje Ljosland wrote: Hi Thomas, thanks for your reply! I don’t have any say in which assessment criteria are used, unfortunately. I’ve seen your criteria, and agree they’re more specifically applicable to e-health standards. I’ll probably need a lot of help answering and justifying the CAMSS questions, especially those regarding the governance of the specifications. I hope it’s okay if I pose specific questions to this list. Regards, Silje From: openEHR-technical [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thomas Beale Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 2:57 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: CAMSS assessment of openEHR Hi Silje, I had a look at the website - it doesn't seem as if anyone is using CAMSS much, if we believe this page, which contains CAMSS assessments<https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/camss/og_page/camss-assessments>, none of which are health related. On this page <https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/camss/og_page/list-standards> there is a much larger list of 'recommended' standards which are all generic (PDF, GIF and so on) - I don't know what use this is. This page <https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/camss/wiki/camss-05-detailed-camss-criteria> has a long page of assessment criteria, which seem mostly reasonable to me, but are will probably miss what I would consider the most important criterion for value - longevity. I personally think longevity is ultimately based on semantic scalability (lack of other things will also kill it, like lack of community, implementations etc). See here <http://wolandscat.net/health-informatics/desiderata-for-successful-e-health-standards/> for my set of criteria. I also don't think that compatibility with other standards is necessarily a useful criterion - it depends on whether those other standards are in use and are themselves delivering value or just getting in the way. But overall the assessment tool seems OK. What I can't see is any example of where it has been applied to an e-health standard. - thomas _______________________________________________ openEHR-technical mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org _______________________________________________ openEHR-technical mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org
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