Hi all,

I manage to translate / update part of the work we did some years ago in
terms of UI definition and generation for the openEHR stack.

Here is the doc, feedback is very welcome!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/13rJMLoW-2tJtl9ejKAIkJbWe-_T9H6UMsGNkiZoU7Iw/edit?usp=sharing




On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:13 PM, A Verhees <[email protected]> wrote:

> Well, this sounds very good, so I can forget my babble about dependency
> circles, concerning this part of the specs
>
> I hope this will be in stable release very soon, because I need to have a
> stable definition for a project
>
> Thanks
> Bert
>
> Op 21 feb. 2018 3:21 p.m. schreef "Thomas Beale" <[email protected]
> >:
>
>
>>
>> On 21/02/2018 13:00, Bert Verhees wrote:
>>
>>> On 20-02-18 20:09, Thomas Beale wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The terminology service also has dependencies to rm data types, only
>>>>> because of codephrase. Wouldn't it be possible to avoid that?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, there is a new class TERMINOLOGY_CODE that is used in BASE instead
>>>> of CODE_PHRASE; eventually, the RM should just use that. If you found any
>>>> use of CODE_PHRASE in BASE, please let us know.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is of course a good thing.
>>>
>>>
>>> But now the question, how do I know which definition to use.
>>>
>>> I always looked at this URL: http://www.openehr.org/program
>>> s/specification/workingbaseline
>>>
>>> There I found "Support", which brings me to:
>>>
>>> http://www.openehr.org/releases/RM/latest/docs/support/support.html
>>>
>>> In that, there is CODE_PHRASE still used in TERMINOLOGY_ACCESS.
>>>
>>
>> yes - we are still working on this - to find the cleanest way to separate
>> it out without breaking current code.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Now I read that there is a new class in BASE, I found the link:
>>> http://www.openehr.org/releases/BASE/latest/docs/index
>>>
>>> And I found Terminology_Code: http://www.openehr.org/release
>>> s/BASE/latest/docs/base_types/base_types.html#_terminology_code_class
>>>
>>> Which is a real improvement, exactly what I was hoping for, it did not
>>> only remove the CODE_PHRASE from datatypes, but also TERMINOLOGY_ID class
>>> from SUPPORT
>>>
>>> It has a property/field which is named terminology_id and is of type
>>> string
>>>
>>>
>>> Is this what is going to be the new standard?
>>>
>>> And when will this be like that?
>>>
>>
>> Well it will be the new standard for BASE classes very soon. Over time,
>> we will start either replacing CODE_PHRASE in the upper models with
>> TERMINOLOGY_CODE, or possibly adding some sort of mapping / conversion
>> logic. But we'll only do that based on input from implementers - we need to
>> find a way to update the models without breaking existing systems.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> When looking further, I also see that there is still a TERMINOLOGY_ID
>>> class in that document which is the old support terminology which is
>>> derived from OBJECT_ID
>>>
>>> http://www.openehr.org/releases/BASE/latest/docs/base_types/
>>> base_types.html#_terminology_id_class
>>>
>>>
>>> Is this confusing, or am I missing something stupid? Am I the only
>>> person asking this kind of questions? If yes, where do others get their
>>> information from?
>>>
>>> Please help me, because, I think, this is very important.
>>>
>>
>> you should consider the classes you see in BASE today as being what will
>> be issued, unless anyone finds a problem with them. In the near future, we
>> will continue the cleanup around terminology. One reason we have not
>> cleaned it up yet is because noone in industry agrees on what standard or
>> tools to use. Noone faithfully implements CTS2 for example, except a
>> non-maintained server from Mayo (LexGrid from memory). IHTSDO did something
>> different, and FHIR did something else.  All have good and bad points, but
>> there has been no clear specification.
>>
>> I am inclined to think that the specification of the future is a kind of
>> stripped down CTS2 that gets rid of XML/XSD, and can be used with multiple
>> serialisation formats, and cleaner models, but semantically, more or less
>> the same. But we have to be practical too. Maybe the FHIR terminology
>> service will evolve in the most appropriate way; they already have the same
>> URI representation of terms as our BASE classes now have.
>>
>> All input on this welcome, as usual.
>>
>> - thomas
>>
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