On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 13:43, David Forslund wrote:

> >relational mapping that is sometimes done just so people 'feel' better
> >about the data being stored in a RDBMS. <s>
> 
> I don't do it so people "feel" better.   

David, that comment was not meant for you personally and please note
that I did say *sometimes*....we both know that is true.

I have a GREAT deal of respect for the work you do as well as your
knowledge and insight.

> mapping can actually enhance those.  If I had a good, high-performance,
> scalable, open source ODBMS, I would use it.  The ones I've used that
> are good are not open source.

Hhi performance is certainly an issue....and the big trade off. 
Scalable, I think you can find in opensource.


> I don't think it is a 'whiz-bang' solution.  I think it is the only 
> possible solution
> with the exception that a single vendor owns everything.   There are easy
> solutions for replication of databases, caching and related issues so that
> an given server doesn't have to be up 24/365.   Federation and everyone up
> 24/365 are really orthogonal.

See my comments in the response to Richard Schilling.


> Records today aren't available when they are needed even within a given
> hospital.  I don't know how to consolidate across international boundaries
> let alone between two hospitals across the street from one another.  They
> don't want to do it.   Consolidation in a region doesn't rule out 
> federation on
> a larger scale.   I think consolidation in a region makes good sense with the
> caveat given below.   The consolidation may take the form of a secondary
> caching server to ensure the data has high availability.

WOW! Are we ever in different worlds.  I'll come back to this. <s>


> But the data degrades as it is transmitted.  

Transmission doesn't cause it to degrade. 
Relational mapping causes it to degrade. If a document (in any standard
format) is retained as a document it does not degrade.

> This happens a lot in the US.
> The change in an HMO which might occur every two years, results in significant
> information being lost as the data is moved from one provider to 
> another.  I have first hand information of this happening. 

And the cause is due to one system schema not mapping directly to the
other....correct?

> Also as a patient gets referred from
> one provider to another, the information doesn't flow.  It doesn't even flow
> between two locations (offices) for the same physician.

My point exactly. There is no concept of the master record.  The
politics of who owns the data is a prime driver for this problem. In the
US, HIPAA should be a useful lever to solve that issue.  Put all my
healthcare data in one place where I can get to it and control it better
as a patient.

Cheers,
Tim

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