On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 18:15, David Forslund wrote:

> >Federated - each component of a patient record is stored where created
> >and all components are joined by a unique pateint identifier.
> 
> This is not my definition of federated.  There can be a hierarchical 
> federation as we
> discuss in our AMIA 2000 paper on MPI.

After reviewing this work I stand by my 20,000' view (definition) of
federation. 

While there is a hierarchical, peer-to-peer and modified hierarchical
approach (of PIDS implementation)......they all accomplish the same
thing.....identifying a specific patient across multiple systems. This
is/can be used to tie healthcare related bits (parts of an EHR)
together.


> A local hospital could contribute their data to a consolidated record without
> it being where there every day data is stored.

Sorry, I missed your point here.

> So when your primary healthcare provider changes, what happens?

I get my EHR in XML [hey, we need to define this still ;-) ] and in
printed format.

> Who pays for the copy to be put into your master patient record?

Just like always, the patient.  Maybe in indirect ways.

> Is your healthcare provider the same as your health record manager?

Not necessarily as a person...but as a medical practice, yes.



> I think there are big benefits.    It may not be possible to send data from
> your point of care to your primary healthcare provider.   

Not expressed yet....but I contend that all future systems should/must
be able to accept stand format documents as input. This may cause
research problems but an implementation should have the ability to
search any standard document format.

> It may be possible
> to send it to a local consolidation point.  One can search from there.
> Check out our AMIA 2000 MPI paper.   It discusses the pros and cons of
> different kinds of federation.

Again, we have a totally different point of view.  Your approach looks
at how we can "discover" data in an automated way. My approach looks at
how we can store, in a consolidated manner, any healthcare data
associated with a particular individual, in a central repository.

Regards,
Tim


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