this reminds me of the IETF SCIM-reacronymizing exercise

the group was approved & chartered under the name 'Native SSO' . Those who understand what the intent of the work is all agree that the name is an accurate description of the work.

Tony didnt like the name as proposed in the charter - but it was approved nonetheless.

So why are we still arguing?

paul

ps. I wonder if the proposers of 'Backplane', or 'AB/Connect' ,both wonderfully descriptive, faced the same

On 7/17/13 3:07 PM, Mike Jones wrote:

So you'd prefer that the work be called something closer to "Native Application Authorization"?

*From:*Anthony Nadalin
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:50 AM
*To:* Paul Madsen; Don Thibeau
*Cc:* Mike Jones; John Bradley; [email protected]; John Ehrig
*Subject:* RE: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO Working Group

I would have been too young back in the 90s

I don't like SSO in the name as this is basically this is just a way to authorize an app to interact with one or more resource serves on your behalf

*From:*Paul Madsen [mailto:[email protected]]
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:39 AM
*To:* Don Thibeau
*Cc:* Anthony Nadalin; Mike Jones; John Bradley; [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>; John Ehrig
*Subject:* Re: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO Working Group

I am 99% confident that *our* beloved Tony was not part of the R&B group from Oakland, briefly popular in the 90s.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony!_Toni!_Ton%C3%A9 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony%21_Toni%21_Ton%C3%A9>!

On 7/17/13 2:33 PM, Don Thibeau wrote:

    Paul

    I don't think "Tony Tony Tony"  is a good name for a working group :)

    Don Thibeau

    The OpenID Foundation <http://openid.net>

    On Jul 17, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Paul Madsen wrote:

        Tony Tony Tony, how I've missed our time together

        The WG's mandate is to profile OIDC to enable an SSO model for
        native mobile applications.

        Can you suggest a better (concise & memorable) descriptor for
        a mail list identifier?

        paul

        On 7/17/13 2:17 PM, Anthony Nadalin wrote:

            That's a totally useless name

            *From:*[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>
            [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf
            Of *Paul Madsen
            *Sent:* Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:59 AM
            *To:* Mike Jones
            *Cc:* John Bradley; [email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>; John Ehrig; Don Thibeau
            *Subject:* Re: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO Working Group

            that list name is fine

            thanks

            On 7/17/13 1:51 PM, Mike Jones wrote:

                John, are you able to create the new mailing list at
                lists.openid.net <http://lists.openid.net> or do we
                have to ask [email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]> for the list creation?

                Paul and other WG creators, what name do you want the
                list to have?  openid-specs-native-sso?

                -- Mike

                *From:*Don Thibeau [mailto:[email protected]]
                *Sent:* Wednesday, July 17, 2013 5:03 AM
                *To:* Paul Madsen
                *Cc:* n-sakimura; John Ehrig;
                [email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>; John Bradley;
                Mike Jones
                *Subject:* Re: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO Working
                Group

                John Ehrig can set up the web site space and the
                online Docusign process for IPR collection.  If done
                right away it saves all concerned lots of time and hassle.

                Don Thibeau

                The OpenID Foundation <http://openid.net/>

                On Jul 17, 2013, at 7:59 AM, Paul Madsen wrote:




                Thanks Nat,

                Don, can you direct me to whomever I should work with
                on the WG list & page logistics?

                Paul

                On 7/16/13 6:08 AM, n-sakimura wrote:

                    The WG formation is deemed to be approved per
                    section 4.2 of the OpenID Process Document v.1.5
                    of 2009.

                    A new mailing list should be established promptly
                    per section 4.3 of the above document. Also, a WG
                    web pages should be set up at openid.net
                    <http://openid.net/>. You should also ask the
                    secretary of the foundation to announce the first
                    meeting of the WG, in which scope approval and the
                    chairs selection should be done.

                    Note: the first meeting can only be done after the
                    WG has collected the IPR agreement from the
                    participants, so it may not be as quick as you may
                    wish, but it has to be done. BTW, NRI's agreement
                    is already in as we have a blanket agreement like
                    Google.

                    Nat

                    (2013/07/15 14:56), Paul Madsen wrote:


                    Next steps?

                    -----------
                    Paul Madsen
                    Ping Identity

                    Anthony Nadalin<[email protected]>
                    <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:



                    I believe if you dig you will see that there is
                    potential for IPR from both Apple and Facebook.

                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: [email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>
                    [mailto:[email protected]] On
                    Behalf Of n-sakimura
                    Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:20 PM
                    To: [email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>
                    Subject: Re: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO
                    Working Group

                    Could you kindly spell it out?

                     From what I have been hearing, Facebook was just
                    using fast application switch, which is nothing
                    more than Self-issued thing that we have, and
                    iOS's native login support given to facebook,
                    twitter, and Weibo.
                    Perhaps you are thinking of something else.

                    Of course, I could be complete wrong. I should
                    probably read
                    https://developers.facebook.com/docs/howtos/ios-6/
                    and

                    
http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/Social/Reference/Social_Framework/_index.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012233


                    as well.

                    Having said that, if Apple's interface is not
                    open, perhaps it is a task for an industry
                    consortia like OpenID Foundation to go and ask
                    Apple to open up the API for other IdPs as well.
                    Do not know if they are going to listen, but
                    still, it might be our duty to try.

                    Nat

                    (2013/07/04 7:30), Anthony Nadalin wrote:


                    I also have a concern that we might be infringing
                    on the Facebook SSO
                    (iOS) IPR with this effort.




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