But isn't (a) cdrecord GPL fork, (b) Debian nonacceptance of CDDL
projects and (c) FSF/GNU anti-CDDL statements not considered as a CDDL
failure proofs?

Isn't the fact that after almost 2 years of existence we still
considered a minority community with almost zero participation from the
outside not a proof that something wrong and needs to be fixed?

And if we go to dual-license with GPLv3, isn't we all know that at least
we will be blessed by FSF/GNU and others GPLv3 supporters (which could
be easily 50% of GNU/Linux community)? Isn't this will give us enough
hopes that dual-licensing will be a good thing?

On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 13:31 -0800, Stephen Harpster wrote:
> No, but then again, you don't have any proof on the reverse case.
> 
> The fact is that you really won't know until we do it, or don't do it, 
> and then see what happens.  And it makes it really hard to make an 
> educated guess when you haven't seen the final GPLv3 license. 
> 
> But we can make somewhat an educated guess now based on what we do 
> know.  And we can always revise it as we obtain more data.....
> 
> 
> 
> Darren J Moffat wrote:
> > Erast Benson wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 09:57 -0800, John Plocher wrote:
> >>> As Dennis, Casper and others have said:  What is the problem that
> >>> dual licensing is trying to solve?
> >>
> >> one little problem... to become a major OSS community out there.
> >>
> >> And today, after 1.5 year of our existence we are still a minority
> >> (community-wise), and unfortunately, this is true. Just open b56
> >> changelog and try to find how many people outside of Sun contributed to
> >> it to happen? None or one! And I bet Sun would like to increase outside
> >> contribution too but with CDDL alone it is just not possible in
> >> foreseeable future. People afraid to contribute to CDDL projects for
> >> variety of reasons, look how cdrecord has been forked to be pure GPL
> >> project just because of that.
> >
> > Do you actually have proof that there are people who will contribute 
> > to OpenSolaris code that is currently under the CDDL if it is 
> > dual-licensed or single licensed under GPLv3 ?
> >
> > Or is this assumption based on the behaviour of the case you site ?
> >
> > If there is proof I'd love to see it because it seems that nobody on 
> > either side of this debate (I see at least a triangle: CDDL only / 
> > dual CDDL and GPLv3 / GPLv3 only) [ me included!! ] actually has any 
> > evidence only opinions about what might happen.
> >
> 
-- 
Erast

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