--- Alan DuBoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 May 2007, Christopher Mahan wrote:
> 
> > But you do work at Sun, and Sun benefits from Solaris adoption...
> > Alright, not going there. I appreciate your non-paid efforts. :)
> 
> I think it's right "not to go there", although you did.

Yeah, sorry about that.
 
> I would have to suggest that for someone that has come to this
> community 
> recentley, and has contributed very little yet, but demanding that
> Sun do 
> specific things for you, is just not going to set very well for
> folks like 
> me. I'm sorry if you don't like my response, but I have an idea for
> you to 
> participate, read on...

Hey, Sun/OpenSolaris is asking how they can get people interested,
how best to grow a community. My telling what it would take to get me
interested is aligned with that goal, no?


> I won't say there's a 0 chance, but probably close to it. But this
> is 
> where a person like you could help out, and contribute to the
> community, 
> by creating the transcript from the recording. How about it? If I
> have the 
> recording ready for you, could you work on that the night of the
> meeting 
> after we're done?

I would be willing to do that, but for a three hour meeting, I would
need about 9-12 hours to do the transcription. I probably need until
Sunday night.
Also, having any speaking participants introduce themselves would be
good for the transcript.


> Oh, I didn't realize you have such a hard time getting together
> with your 
> existing friends.

Full time job, wife, school, 2 year old kid. friends all over the
world (France, Japan, many US states... even in socal most are more
than 1 hour drive away)

> Expecting others to do work for you is not
> reasonable as 
> far as attending user groups, the real advantage is in being there,
> 
> talking to people, and being a part of it. Where do you live? Maybe
> there 
> is another user group in your area that you can attend. If you're
> in 
> SoCal (you mentioned CSUN, I went there and grew up in the SF
> Valley), 
> there's a user group that meets in El Segundo.

El Segundo is too far on weekday nights. 405 is a nightmare until
7:30Pm. It would take 1.5 hours to get there (less on lucky days)

> > Taking a step back, though, I see that the Local User Group
> concept
> > is showing its age in the tiny digital flat world we live in.
> 
> Well, I have been one of the people that has been trying to expand
> my 
> meetings over the web, so that more than just local people could
> join. I 
> have been the one looking for a software solution that would allow
> that to 
> happen. I have suggested to the OpenSolaris folks that it is
> important for 
> our community to have such a way to scale the user groups and move
> away 
> from existing mediums to do so. Unfortunately it hasn't happened
> yet, but 
> trust me, you're preachin' to the choir!;-)

Good!

> This may also be another area you could help us with. If you have
> software 
> that would work for us to have such a broadcasted meeting across
> the web, 
> or you could get some opensource software working in that capacity,
> it 
> would also benifit not just SVOSUG, but all OpenSolaris user groups
> within 
> our community. Again, any help would be appreciated, since this
> community 
> actually thrives on the members of it that contribute back. Any
> help that 
> you can contribute to this effort, it will make it all stronger as
> a 
> whole. In short, there's opportunity for you to make a difference,
> to make 
> things better for others that you see as being defecient for
> yourself. 
> Hopefully this makes sense.

Makes sense.


I'll take a look at that. Can't promise much, because short of
videoconferencing, there's going to be some severe experience
degradation.

An option is doing an audio recording, and put that on a wiki with a
summary of the audio, with mugshots of the participants. I think
genunix wiki would be great for that (I can host the audio if needed)

IRC + logs on the web is another option. More conversational less
presentational, I think. Although you lose a lot of the situational
value. 

Secondlife? Don't know how to get transcripts out of there though.





Chris Mahan
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