I agree that the native/traditional tools and paths should be system default. Making global changes for users is already doable through things like /etc/profile or /etc/.login. What might make peoples lives easier is a tool in Gnome that can change the user level settings (.profile, .bashrc, .cshrc, etc.) to give the user the desired "personality", GNU, Solaris, XPG4, XPG6, UCB, etc. Perhaps even a CLI version. Something like that would probably make the new comers happier without making assumptions that will either make folks happy or angry from the start. Since we're talking about desktop users it seems like a pop-up when they first log into Gnome would make the most sense:)
Realisticlly.. for production environments.. ppl have their own custom shell setups that they bring over and rarely use the stock settings to begin with. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Octave J. Orgeron Solaris Virtualization Architect and Consultant Web: http://unixconsole.blogspot.com E-Mail: [email protected] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ----- Original Message ---- From: Fredrich Maney <[email protected]> To: Octave Orgeron <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected]; solarg <[email protected]>; Open Solaris <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:39:40 PM Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] why gnu chmod in os2008.11? I agree with one caveat: the native fully supported and integrated Sun tools should be come first the default PATHs when shipped and modifying that value should be left up to the user. As for a setting somewhere, why not simply put it in /etc/default somewhere along with things like TIMEZONE, LANG and such? Logically that strikes me as the best place. fpsm On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Octave Orgeron <[email protected]> wrote: > As always.. the GNU vs non-GNU tool set brings up a heated debate. The big > issue I see here is that the GNU tools may be prevalent, but they obviously > don't cover all use cases and can be broken on certain platforms. We have to > remember that things like ACL's, special file systems, etc. are not just > relegated to Sun. There are other flavors out there that have such features. > To have a unified tool set would require the GNU apps to fully support the > POSIX and platform specific bits. That would be nice, but I seriously doubt > it'll happen. As such having the *standard* Solaris tools is critical for not > just developers or SA's.. but also for commercial applications and tools > (think about monitoring software alone). I do like the idea of having the GNU > bits located in /usr/gnu, as it follows the other conventions /usr/xpg4, > /usr/xpg6, /usr/ucb, etc. The strength here is that our platform can support > multiple behaviors. It's just a matter of users setting the > correct $PATH statements. Is there a tool in Gnome and the CLI for ppl to > select the behavior they want? That would be ideal. > > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > Octave J. Orgeron > Solaris Virtualization Architect and Consultant > Web: http://unixconsole.blogspot.com > E-Mail: [email protected] > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: solarg <[email protected]> > Cc: Open Solaris <[email protected]>; > [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:51:11 AM > Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] why gnu chmod in os2008.11? > >> i'm surprised that gnu chmod is installed, what are the advantages >> comparing to solaris chmod? >> It's very annoying when using ACLs. > > The default environment at the moment is to prefer the GNU tools as > that is the more familiar environment for most developers and > end-users; over time, the plan is to provide a unified set of tools, > where possible, that is both familiar and fully supports OpenSolaris > specific features. > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list [email protected]
