* Joerg Schilling ([email protected]) wrote: > Glenn Lagasse <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I am still waiting for a reply.......... > > > > > > > > Ah, I see. We're back to star again (as I suspected). I'm not privvy > > > > to what the issue with star being integrated is or was. The case was > > > > approved. From what I understand based on what people have told me is > > > > that there was work that needed to be done before the integration could > > > > happen. Sun wasn't willing to do that work and apparently neither were > > > > you. So, it hasn't integrated. So, out of morbid curiousity at this > > > > point just what exactly are you waiting for in a reply and from whom? > > > > > > We will only be able to advance here in case that there is a will for > > > collaboration. You are welcome to prove that there is such a wil...... > > > > And so, you've completely not answered my question at all and thus left > > this dangling yet again (as I've seen more than a few times whenever > > this issue comes up from you). I'm neck deep in project work and have > > no time to say 'Sure, send me everything about this and I'll get it > > done'. But without all the information, I can't even help you find the > > sticking points and possibly offer guidance on how to get unstuck. > > Collaboration is a two-way street. > > Correct: collaboration is a two way street and as long as there is no > return from Sun, collaboration cannot happen. > > I did send two attempts to request-sponsor and did never get any > reply. What do you expect me to do? Do you expect me to repeat my > mail once a week? I am adult and I am not interested in playing > games. Sun did verify that the "official method" does not work and > this can only be changed if a person from Sun starts an initiative > that is able to prove that things have been changed.
I would expect that if you really wanted to get your changes integrated you would 'keep trying'. If that means sending a request once a week via cron until you get a reply, then so be it. I know we've had snafus along the way and some requests just weren't answered in the past. There is now (and has been for some time) a person responsible for monitoring the list explicitly and keeping things moving as best as can be. I don't consider that 'playing games'. If you're really passionate about it, you'll make it happen. There's an old saying 'Stuff happens'. Not everyting in OpenSolaris or the world for that matter runs optimally all the time. There are always bumps. You can either deal with those bumps or rant about them. The former is a productive solution the latter not so much. Why you didn't just come out and say 'I sent a request via the proper channels and never received a response' baffles me. > When I look at the list of recently integrated OSS projects, I cannot > believe that there is no time for PSARC/2004/480. Just delay one of > the less important other projects.... It comes down to cost vs benefit. If there were customers screaming (lots of customers) to have star integrated, then Sun would probably find a way to make it happen. At least that's what I've observed in my years at Sun. That's not occurring (large numbers of customers screaming for it) and so it's a much lesser priority. Simple as that. You have an interest in star being part of OpenSolaris (I personally commend you for it) and so do the work and make it happen. I've said this before, waiting for Sun to do every thing one might want in OpenSolaris is merely going to cause one frustration. The source is out there, there are ways to contribute, step up, do the work and be happy. > > At this point, I can only presume that you have no real interest in > > Well, I can only presume that Sun has no interest in collaboration. > This is obvious as people from Sun meanwhile did spend more time in > writing useless mails that try tell me that they are not responsible > for the problem than fixing the problem inside Sun would have taken. > As you see, what you said is not correct unless you are able to prove > that you start collaboration and that you are also able to collaborate > until the integration is finished. If you want me to point out countless examples of how non-Sun contributors have been able to contribute then you're going to be disappointed because I have neither the time nor inclination to point those things out. The ON changelog is available and easily searchable for any interested party (and that's just one consolidation of putbacks). If one needs a reference, the KSH93 project is a perfect example of outside integration and collaboration with Sun. > Are you willing to correct the impression that has been created by > people from Sun? Are wou willing to collaborate? If not, do you know > any other person who is willing to collaborate? I'm happy to point you in the right direction, that would be [email protected]. I'm not willing to sponsor your putback. It's an area I don't know even if I had the time to do so. I do know that in the past 6-8 months (if not longer) there has been a concerted effort to make sure that requests for sponsorship don't go unanswered. > As I did verify, the documented way fails and it is your turn to verify that > you are able to fix documented problems. Actually, that's not true. You haven't verified anything to me other than you made an attempt to get a sponsor and then didn't get a response and stopped trying. There's any number of reasons why that might have been. Rather than giving up and going on and telling the world that Sun can't be collaborated with, why not press on and keep sending requests until you're heard (politely and professionally of course)? If you really want to see things happen, that's what you'd do. It's certainly what I'd do. Other people have integrated who aren't Sun employees Joerg, what does that say about your 'Sun doesn't collaborate' statement? Bottom line. Send a mail to request-sponsor as prescribed: http://opensolaris.org/os/communities/participation/ Or don't. The ball is in your court. I will say, I'll watch for your request. And if after posting your request for a sponsor you don't get a sponsor within a month, feel free to ping me and I'll do what I can to track down a sponsor for you (or at least someone who can help find you a sponsor). How's that for collaboration? I'll note, that currently there is one request without a sponsor and that was submitted a couple of weeks ago. The rest of the requests all have sponsors. http://opensolaris.org/os/bug_reports/request_sponsor/ -- Glenn _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list [email protected]
