Joerg, * Joerg Schilling ([email protected]) wrote: > Glenn Lagasse <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I did send two attempts to request-sponsor and did never get any > > > reply. What do you expect me to do? Do you expect me to repeat my > > > mail once a week? I am adult and I am not interested in playing > > > games. Sun did verify that the "official method" does not work and > > > this can only be changed if a person from Sun starts an initiative > > > that is able to prove that things have been changed. > > > > I would expect that if you really wanted to get your changes integrated > > you would 'keep trying'. If that means sending a request once a week > > I did for a long long time. > > I did even send private mail to several Sun people including Jim Grisanzio > to no avail.
As I'm not 'other people' I can't comment on what anyone did or didn't do. Nor will I speculate. > > Why you didn't just come out and say 'I sent a request via the proper > > channels and never received a response' baffles me. > > I did and it does not leave a nice impression if the "proper channels" > are redefined instead of properly responding to an integration request. As I said 'stuff happens'. We don't live in a perfect world Joerg. I know I certainly don't. > > > When I look at the list of recently integrated OSS projects, I cannot > > > believe that there is no time for PSARC/2004/480. Just delay one of > > > the less important other projects.... > > > > It comes down to cost vs benefit. If there were customers screaming > > (lots of customers) to have star integrated, then Sun would probably > > find a way to make it happen. At least that's what I've observed in my > > years at Sun. That's not occurring (large numbers of customers > > screaming for it) and so it's a much lesser priority. Simple as that. > > Well please send me some data that helps to prove your claim that the > other FOSS programs that have been integrated meanwhile create more benefit > for > Sun. As you might expect, even if I had such data I couldn't release it as it's material to Sun's business. I'm also pretty sure I made no claim that the other FOSS programs that have integrated created more benefit for Sun. What I said was that everything (well I'm sure there are small exceptions) Sun does is based on business justification. Just like every other business in the world. If there was serious business justification to integrating star, it would have happened already imo. I could just be naive I suppose, but that's what I've seen done in the years I've been at Sun and other companies. > As it seems that you don't know, PSARC/2004/480 is a result of requests from > customers that complained with the missing interoperability between Sun's > /etc/rmt and the client implementations on Linux and about the performance > of Sun's /etc/rmt that leaves much to be desired..... > > > You have an interest in star being part of OpenSolaris (I personally > > commend you for it) and so do the work and make it happen. I've said > > this before, waiting for Sun to do every thing one might want in > > OpenSolaris is merely going to cause one frustration. The source is out > > there, there are ways to contribute, step up, do the work and be happy. > > OK, then open up the repositories for me and give me an accoun that allows > me to do the integration without help from Sun. So, not to be blunt, but what makes you so special that we should open the gates for you and not others? > As long as Sun does not make the repositories open enough, the fact that > Sun did prevent collaboration since more than 4 years leaves a really bad > taste. Ok, so you've got a bad taste based on prior experiences. That's entirely fair. You've got one person willing to help you get back on track. Yet you appear to want to just keep living in the past and talking about how things didn't go the way you wanted. If you want to just keep rehashing old history, that's fine. Personally, I don't find that a productive use of my time. I'm not interested in the entire history of this issue. I'm willing to help you move forward as best I can on my own free time. > > > > Are you willing to correct the impression that has been created by > > > people from Sun? Are wou willing to collaborate? If not, do you know > > > any other person who is willing to collaborate? > > > > I'm happy to point you in the right direction, that would be > > [email protected]. I'm not willing to sponsor your > > putback. It's an area I don't know even if I had the time to do so. I > > do know that in the past 6-8 months (if not longer) there has been a > > concerted effort to make sure that requests for sponsorship don't go > > unanswered. > > My impression is that you are not serious here :-( What? Of course I'm serious. I wouldn't have offered if I wasn't. I don't go into grandstanding Joerg. I've got much better things to do with my time, believe me. > It has been documented that Sun did not respond in a useful way sice > more than 4 years. And all I'll say (yet again) is that others have managed to get their changes integrated. You seem to be the only one complaining that Sun doesn't collaborate and can't get your changes integrated. Take a step back and what does that tell you? > > > As I did verify, the documented way fails and it is your turn to verify > > > that > > > you are able to fix documented problems. > > > > Actually, that's not true. You haven't verified anything to me other > > than you made an attempt to get a sponsor and then didn't get a > > response and stopped trying. There's any number of reasons why that > > I am not sure in what world you live, but in the world we other people live, > Sun did fail. According to you. That certainly isn't the impression I and others I talk to have. > If you really like to prove that Sun is ready for collaboration, then > do so! Send a mail to me that you finally found a person that is going > to do the roght things. Sun did prove that things don't work and if > you like to verify that things changed since then, you need to become > active. I'm not going to do that Joerg. And you know why. I have no idea what you think 'the right things' are. So there's no way I can find someone to meet such a nebulous criteria. My offer is that if you follow the process and submit a request for sponsorship that isn't picked up in a month I'll help you find a sponsor to the best of my abilities. That really should be sufficient. It's a better offer than what other people who request a sponsor get. If that isn't good enough for you, then you can just keep 'tilting at the windmills' talking about how Sun doesn't collaborate (contrary to the evidence) and continue to be unproductive while others keep on integrating and getting things done. I'm not interested in discussing this any further apart from my offer to you Joerg. You can take me up on it, or not. The collaboration ball is in your court. Other than that, I'm done with this discussion. -- Glenn _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list [email protected]
