Kapil,

I see just 2 relevant reviews for zmq in the oslo.messaging queue:
https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo.messaging+status:open+file:%255E.*zmq.*,n,z

Are there others i am missing? ("fix critical items", "tests" from your email)

thanks,
dims

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Kapil Thangavelu
<kapil.thangav...@canonical.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Flavio Percoco <fla...@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 09/17/2014 04:34 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>> > This thread [1] has turned more “future focused", so I’m moving the
>> > conversation to the -dev list where we usually have those sorts of
>> > discussions.
>> >
>> > [1]
>> > http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2014-September/009253.html
>> >
>>
>>
>> I saw this mentioned in the `openstack` thread but I'd like us to
>> reconsider it.
>>
>> Since we've gone through the "hey please don't deprecate it, I'll help"
>> process a couple of times with the zmq driver, I'm thinking we should
>> pull it out of the code base anyway.
>
>
> I think the primary issue has been two fold, one is the lack of
> reviews/merges on extant patches that fix critical items that have been
> outstanding for months. I think that is compounded by the other issue which
> was the lack of tests. We've sprinted last week on adding in both unit
> tests, the extant patches and functionally verifying them by automating
> cloud deployments with zmq for the messaging driver. We're also committing
> as a company to supporting it on an ongoing basis. If we get the gates going
> for kilo, i don't see any reason for the churn below, if the gates don't get
> going we can yank to external in kilo anyway.
>
> cheers,
>
> Kapil
>
>>
>> Here's a rough plan of what I think we should do until the zmq is
>> updated and has a proper gate working:
>>
>> 1. Pull it out the code base into its own repo (stackforge?)
>> 2. Setup the basic `oslo.messaging` gates for it
>> 3. Release the driver on pypi as: `oslo.messaging.zmq`
>> 4. Make lots of noise and make sure people using zmq knows that they
>> have to install a separate package now. (I know this means creating a
>> new package for many distros).
>>
>> If there are folks interested in maintaining this driver, they can still
>> do it with the driver outside the code base. If it ever gets enough
>> attention and maturity, it could be re-proposed for inclusion into the
>> code base.
>>
>> I know there are folks interested in a broker-less solution and we now
>> have the not-tested-in-production-yet amqp1.0 driver which I think is a
>> very good solution and also shares most of the semantics we rely on
>> protocol-wise.
>>
>> I didn't go through the whole thread so, I'm sorry if I'm repeating
>> something that has already been said/proposed/discussed.
>>
>> Flavio
>>
>> > On Sep 17, 2014, at 7:54 AM, James Page <james.p...@ubuntu.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Signed PGP part
>> >> Hi Li
>> >>
>> >> On 17/09/14 11:58, Li Ma wrote:
>> >>>> The scale potential is very appealing and is something I want to
>> >>>> test - - hopefully in the next month or so.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Canonical are interested in helping to maintain this driver and
>> >>>> hopefully we help any critical issues prior to Juno release.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> That sounds good. I just went through all the bugs reported in the
>> >>> community.
>> >>>
>> >>> The only critical bug which makes ZeroMQ malfunction is
>> >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/1301723 and the
>> >>> corresponding review is under way:
>> >>> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84938/
>> >>
>> >> Agreed
>> >>
>> >>> Others are tagged to 'zmq' in
>> >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging
>> >>
>> >> Looking through Doug's suggested list of information and collating
>> >> what I know of from our work last week:
>> >>
>> >> 1) documentation for how to configure and use zeromq with
>> >> oslo.messaging (note, not the version in oslo-incubator, the version
>> >> in the messaging library repository)
>> >>
>> >> As part of our sprint, I worked on automating deployment of OpenStack
>> >> + 0MQ using Ubuntu + Juju (service orchestration tool). I can re-jig
>> >> that work into some general documentation on how best to configure
>> >> ZeroMQ with OpenStack - the current documentation is a bit raw and
>> >> does not talk about how to configure the oslo-messaging-zmq-receiver
>> >> at all.
>> >>
>> >> I also plan some packaging updates for Debian/Ubuntu in our next dev
>> >> cycle to make this a little easier to configure and digest - for
>> >> example, right now no systemd unit/upstart configuration/sysv init
>> >> script is provided to manage the zmq-receiver.
>> >>
>> >> I'd also like to document the current design of the ZMQ driver - Doug
>> >> - where is the best place todo this? I thought in the source tree
>> >> somewhere.
>> >
>> > The documentation in the oslo.messaging repository [2] would be a good
>> > place to start for that. If we decide deployers/operators need the
>> > information we can either refer to it from the guides managed by the
>> > documentation team or we can move/copy the information. How about if you
>> > start a new drivers subdirectory there, and add information about zmq. We
>> > can have other driver authors provide similar detail about their drivers in
>> > the same directory.
>> >
>> > [2]
>> > http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.messaging/tree/doc/source
>> >
>> >>
>> >> 2) a list of the critical bugs that need to be fixed + any existing
>> >> patches associated with those bugs, so they can be reviewed early in
>> >> kilo
>> >>
>> >> This blocks operation of nova+neutron environements:
>> >>
>> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/1301723
>> >>      Summary: Message was sent to wrong node with zmq as rpc_backend
>> >>      Patch: https://review.openstack.org/84938
>> >>
>> >> Also notifcations are effectively unimplemented which prevents use
>> >> with Ceilometer so I'd also add:
>> >>
>> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/1368154
>> >>      Summary: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/
>> >>      Patch: https://review.openstack.org/120745
>> >
>> > That’s a good list, and shorter than I expected. I have added these bugs
>> > to the next-kilo milestone.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> 3) an analysis of what it would take to be able to run functional
>> >> tests for zeromq on our CI infrastructure, not necessarily the full
>> >> tempest run or devstack-gate job, probably functional tests we place
>> >> in the tree with the driver (we will be doing this for all of the
>> >> drivers) + besides writing new functional tests, we need to bring the
>> >> unit tests for zeromq into the oslo.messaging repository
>> >>
>> >> Kapil Thangavelu started work on both functional tests for the ZMQ
>> >> driver last week; the output from the sprint is here:
>> >>
>> >>    https://github.com/ostack-musketeers/oslo.messaging
>> >>
>> >> it covers the ZMQ driver (including messaging through the zmq-receiver
>> >> proxy) and the associated MatchMakers (local, ring, redis) at a
>> >> varying levels of coverage, but I feel it moves things in the right
>> >> direction - Kapil's going to raise a review for this in the next
>> >> couple of days.
>> >>
>> >> Doug - has any structure been agreed within the oslo.messaging tree
>> >> for unit/functional test splits? Right now we have them all in one
>> >> place.
>> >
>> > I think we will want them split up, but we don’t have an agreed existing
>> > structure for that. I would like to see a test framework of some sort that
>> > defines the tests in a way that can be used to run the same functional for
>> > all of the drivers as separate jobs (with appropriate hooks for ensuring 
>> > the
>> > needed services are running, etc.). Setting that up warrants its own spec,
>> > because there are going to be quite a few details to work out. We will also
>> > need to participate in the larger conversation about how to set up those
>> > functional test jobs to be consistent with the other projects.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Edward Hope-Morley also worked on getting devstack working with ZMQ:
>> >>
>> >>    https://github.com/ostack-musketeers/devstack
>> >>
>> >> that's still WIP but again we'll get any changes submitted for review
>> >> ASAP.
>> >
>> > That’s good to have, but I don’t necessarily consider it a requirement
>> > for in-project functional tests.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> 4) and some improvements that we would like to make longer term
>> >>
>> >> a) Connection re-use on outbound messaging avoiding the current tcp
>> >> setup overhead for every sent message.  This may also bring further
>> >> performance benefits due to underlying messaging batching in ZMQ.
>> >
>> > This sounds like it would be a good thing to do, but making what we have
>> > work correctly and testing it feels more important for now.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> b) Moving from tcp PUSH/PULL sockets between servers to DEALER/DEALER
>> >> (or something similar) to allow for heartbeating and more immediate
>> >> failure detection
>> >
>> > I would need to understand how much of a rewrite that represents before
>> > commenting further.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> c) Crypto support
>> >
>> > There are some other discussions about adding crypto to messaging, and I
>> > hope we can do that without having to touch each driver, if possible.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >>
>> >> James
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> James Page
>> >> Ubuntu and Debian Developer
>> >> james.p...@ubuntu.com
>> >> jamesp...@debian.org
>> >>
>> >
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