> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donald Stufft [mailto:don...@stufft.io]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 4:34 PM
> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets
> fight for it
> > On Feb 11, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Jeremy Stanley <fu...@yuggoth.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 2015-02-11 11:31:13 +0000 (+0000), Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
> > [...]
> >> If you don't belong to the group of privileged living in the area and
> >> receiving free ticket somehow or company paying your participation
> >> you're not included. $600 + travel + accommodation is quite hefty
> >> premium to be included, not really FOSS.
> > [...]
> >
> > Here I have to respectfully disagree. Anyone who uploads a change to
> > an official OpenStack source code repository for review and has it
> > approved/merged since Juno release day gets a 100% discount comp
> > voucher for the full conference and design summit coming up in May.
> > In addition, much like a lot of other large free software projects do
> > for their conferences, the OpenStack Foundation sets aside funding[1]
> > to cover travel and lodging for participants who need it.
> > Let's (continue to) make sure this _is_ "really FOSS," and that any of
> > our contributors who want to be involved can be involved.
> >
> > [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Travel_Support_Program
> For whatever it's worth, I totally agree that the summits don't make
> Openstack "not really FOSS" and I think the travel program is great, but I do
> just want to point out (as someone for whom travel is not monetarily dificult,
> but
> logistically) that decision making which requires travel can be exclusive. I
> don't personally get too bothered by it but it feels like maybe the
> fundamental issue that some are expericing is when there are decisions
> being made via a single channel, regardless of if that channel is a phone 
> call,
> IRC, a mailing list, or a design summit. The more channels any particular
> decision involves the more likely it is nobody is going to feel like they 
> didn't
> get a chance to participate.
> ---
> Donald Stufft
> PGP: 7C6B 7C5D 5E2B 6356 A926 F04F 6E3C BCE9 3372 DCFA

Thanks Donald,

My point exactly even I now see it did not come out really that way.

Thanks Jeremy,

I'd like to point out that that this discussion has been pushing all inclusive 
open approach. Not ATC, not specially approved individuals, but everyone. 
Mailing list can easily facilitate participation of everyone who wishes to do 
so. Summits cannot. If we pull the line to ATCs and specially invited 
individuals, we can throw this whole topic to the trash as 90% of the discussed 
was just dismissed.


I'm not attacking against having summits, I think the face to face time is 
incredibly valuable for all kind of things. My point was to bring up general 
flaw of the flow between all inclusive decision making vs. decided in summit 

- Erno

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