> -----Original Message-----
> From: Boris Bobrov [mailto:bbob...@mirantis.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 10:35 AM
> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
> <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [ptl] code churn and questionable changes
> 
> Hello,
> 
> > in addition to this, please, PLEASE stop creating 'all project bugs'. i
> > don't want to get emails on updates to projects unrelated to the ones i
> > care about. also, it makes updating the bug impossible because it times
> > out. i'm too lazy to search ML but this has been raise before, please
> stop.
> >
> > let's all unite together and block these patches to bring an end to it.
> :)
> 
> People who contribute to OpenStack long enough already know this.
> Usually new contributors do it. And we cannot reach out to them
> in this mailing list. There should be a way to limit this somewhere
> in Launchpad.

[amrith] Actually, not true. Some of the changes I'm seeing are from people who 
have a track record of these kinds of changes. And if there is a knob in 
Launchpad somewhere, I sure as hell can't find it.

> 
> > On 21/09/16 07:56 AM, Amrith Kumar wrote:
> >> Of late I've been seeing a lot of rather questionable changes that
> >> appear to be getting blasted out across multiple projects; changes that
> >> cause considerable code churn, and don't (IMHO) materially improve the
> >> quality of OpenStack.
> >>
> >> I'd love to provide a list of the changes that triggered this email but
> >> I know that this will result in a rat hole where we end up discussing
> >> the merits of the individual items on the list and lose sight of the
> >> bigger picture. That won't help address the question I have below in
> any
> >> way, so I'm at a disadvantage of having to describe my issue in
> abstract
> >> terms.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Here's how I characterize these changes (changes that meet one or more
> >> of these criteria):
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -    Contains little of no information in the commit message (often
> just
> >> a single line)
> >>
> >> -    Makes some generic statement like "Do X not Y", "Don't use Z",
> >> "Make ABC better" with no further supporting information
> >>
> >> -    Fail (literally) every single CI job, clearly never tested by the
> >> developer
> >>
> >> -    Gets blasted across many projects, literally tens with often the
> >> same kind of questionable (often wrong) change
> >>
> >> -    Makes a stylistic python improvement that is not enforced by any
> >> check (causes a cottage industry of changes making the same correction
> >> every couple of months)
> >>
> >> -    Reverses some previous python stylistic improvement with no clear
> >> reason (another cottage industry)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I've tried to explain it to myself as enthusiasm, and a desire to
> >> contribute aggressively; I've lapsed into cynicism at times and tried
> to
> >> explain it as gaming the numbers system, but all that is merely
> >> rationalization and doesn't help.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Over time, the result generally is that these developers' changes get
> >> ignored. And that's not a good thing for the community as a whole. We
> >> want to be a welcoming community and one which values all contributions
> >> so I'm looking for some suggestions and guidance on how one can work
> >> with contributors to try and improve the quality of these changes, and
> >> help the contributor feel that their changes are valued by the project?
> >> Other more experienced PTL's, ex-PTL's, long time open-source-community
> >> folks, I'm seriously looking for suggestions and ideas.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Any and all input is welcome, do other projects see this, how do you
> >> handle it, is this normal, ...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -amrith
> >>
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> 
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