[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
> If you accept the pine licence as open source then windows is nearly open
> source, after all the kernel source code is available to partners and some
> academic institutions etc, but those with the source code would not be
> able to redistribute modified versions.

Come on, *everybody* can see the source of pine, that is the meaning of
"open source". You are talking about developper's need to fork (that's
what pine doesn't allow). Windows is a completeley different thing.

>> distribution. The last decisions with regard to proprietary drivers and
>> now the movement of pine to CD6 seem to show, that SUSE is not the most
>> user-friendly distribution anymore, but the "OSI definition", "GPL
>> rulez", "kernel policy forever" shouting developpers baby.

> Many might not wish to sacrifice the freedoms afforded by the GPL for
> greater ease of use, after all many consider windows to be easy to use but
> it is not Free software.

This is no discussion about Windows, but about SUSE Linux. Is its goal
user-friendliness or OSI-friendliness?

> As for
> the kernel module issue this is slightly different as the kernel is GPLed
> and binary kernel modules become part of the same program by the FSF's
> definition and hence must be GPLed or violate the developer's copyright.

I know all the legal discussions, however this is not LKML, but the SUSE
list. I would hardly accept, that there should be user shortcomings for
the sake of kernel policies, but i can very well understand the SUSE
view of a maintaining nightmare for all modules, which are not supported
by the kernel people anymore.

Ciao
Siegbert

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