On Mon, 2007-09-10 at 09:21 +0200, Clayton wrote: > > Clayton's second email in this thread resumes why they shouldnt have > > made a separated version of yast sw_single. And if it was to have > > improvements in qt version (which several people think it needs, I > > think it needs too), then they could make the improvements in qt > > version, and have the gtk version exactly like the qt version, so it > > would be more consistent, dont you agree? > > > > But that hasnt happened, I tell you why I think it hasnt happened: > > 1) Gnome guys want to make it different, they dont care about having a > > consistent look in both versions > > 2) They (the original yast guys and the gnome guys) cant agree in a > > way of doing it. They cant agree or they dont care > > > > From observation fo what has happened seems both (1) and (2) are true > > This is EXACTLY my point. I think it's great that the Google Summer > of Code resulted in a GTK version of YAST for Gnome (I was vaguely > aware of it when it happened from conversations about it on the > mailing list). What boggles my mind is that instead of getting a GTK > _version_ of the software manager, we get a TOTALLY different software > manager. This is NOT good. This is a bad thing. Support now has to > have two different procedures in mixed KDE/Gnome environment using the > SAME distribution. > > I do a lot of phone support for remote openSUSE installs. They are a > mix of Gnome and KDE depending on the preference of the users... they > are going to be migrating to 10.3 a couple of months after it is > released... and I am facing the mess of retraining half my user base > on the software installer because of a poorly thought out change in > the core tools that make openSUSE better than the other distributions. > I am seriously disappointed here. I know I should have raised this > waaaay back in the early Alpha stages, but I didn't notice this then. > > YAST is one of the shiny bits about openSUSE. It is bar none, my > favorite admin tool in any distribution. It works. It works well, > and up until now, it didn't matter if you were using Gnome, KDE, > WindowMaker or whatever... it was consistent and predictable. As a > support person, that is CRITICAL. I can't stress this enough! > > In answer to a couple of points raised by Rajko.... > > This is not a case of "I don't like it because I am not used to it." > This is a case of a change that makes the life of support (and > Documentation) a royal pain in the backside. This was an unnecessary > change... > > I could care less about icons. Personally I think the Tango icons are > incredibly ugly, but if they are the ones used in YAST, then fine.. > it's just an icon. I don't care and I will use it (yes I am aware > that I can switch to Crystal icons, but I can't be bothered to do > this... it's not that important). > > Small differences between the text version and the QT version are > fine... you will never get a complete clone from one interface to > another... and if the GTK native version of YAST was marginally > different, I could live with it. Instead we get something that isn't > even remotely similar. I thought, oh, this is just the default and if > I click one of the other view options I can get something similar to > the QT version.. instead I get something even worse for usability. > > So... what am I saying? It's fine to gave a GTK version of YAST but > NOT at the cost of loosing the consistency in the toolset that makes > openSUSE better than everyone else. This is the situation we have now > with 10.3, and frankly, I'm VERY disappointed (just in case you > couldn't already tell from my rant here) > > C.
It's not like you are forced to use it you know. sudo sed -i -e 's:^WANTED_GUI="auto":WANTED_GUI="qt":' /etc/sysconfig/yast2 Voila, your problem is solved. Cheers, Magnus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
