I don't think the issue is that plugins and books are required, or that developers cannot edit the files manually (although, I have to agree that I have experienced and been told about alot of bad developers lately). The issue as I see it, is that the management that needs to sign off on using the new technology needs to feel that it is going to be supported in the long term. Tools, books, articles and the like generally mean that the number of people supporting the product is substancial, and development, bug fixes and improvements will continue.
As noted in a few weblogs lately, many companies use open source projects as a way to get free development, and are less likely to use projects that require them to spend development time on enhancements / bug fixes. This is unfortunate, but the truth - especially when you look at how many companies use Struts, and compare it to how many companies contribute to the code base. Having said all that, I would like to make an offer to help in any way that I can. I only started using WW2/XW after meeting Jason and Mike CB at the TSS Symposium, and I am very impressed at the level of code and ease of use. /Ian >From Down & Around, Inc. Innovative IT solutions Software Architecture * Design * Development ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ web: www.fdar.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 617.821.5430 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> That's just sad. You know there are plenty of good books, manuals on Chevy >> Nova's too but that doesn't mean it is a good car! I'm surprised by your >> request for IDE plug-ins, I to have no desire to use such a tool for such a >> simple task but is this what the industry is asking for? I have heard of the >> same requests on the Expresso project and thought that this was crazy but maybe >> there are a lot of developers out there that can't edit a xml or properties >> files. >> >> Kris Thompson >> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Joseph Ottinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 12:00 PM >>> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > Subject: [OS-webwork] Webwork and tool support, etc. >>> > >>> > >>> > A few hours ago, I got out of a meeting discussing the merits >>> > of WebWork >>> > 1.3 vs. Struts. I'm officially really discouraged about it >>> > (sorry, Bob) >>> > because of a comment someone made: Struts tools support is there, it's >>> > sort of usable (his example didn't actually work), and it has pretty >>> > icons. >>> > >>> > This is true. I'm not making this up. >>> > >>> > I wrote a document to try to capture webwork in a nutshell >>> > for them, to >>> > explain some of its core features and benefits; that went okay, except >>> > that I rather suck in such presentations. That part, however, >>> > went pretty >>> > well. The barriers remain: no books, no tools support, wonky >>> > tag language, >>> > and webwork 1.x' tree may be abandoned. >>> > >>> > So what's the future? Anyone writing an eclipse or IDEA plugin for the >>> > control files? Anything? I know that it's not necessary - I've never >>> > really wanted these things myself. That doesn't change the bullet list >>> > requirement. >>> > >>> > Anyone? >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > Joseph B. Ottinger http://enigmastation.com >>> > IT Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > J2EE Editor - Java Developer's Journal [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------- >>> > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including >>> > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. >>> > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. >>> > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet >>> > _072303_01/01 >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Opensymphony-webwork mailing list >>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork >>> > > >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including >> Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. >> Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. >> http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 >> _______________________________________________ >> Opensymphony-webwork mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork >> ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 _______________________________________________ Opensymphony-webwork mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork
