Yechiel, Yes, I have been there, done that, over and over... But then, there is a "Toyota Corolla" solution and maybe a "Ferrari Testarosa" solution.
If we can control "Dom Phoc" without tieing his hands behind the back, wouldn't that would be the best: white paper: http://www.iraje.com/docs/ActiveSecureDesigner.htm Keith Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 11:48:38 -0800 To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego, California Well Keith Our solution to the <Doom Phoc (and their siblings)> is: Do not grant they rights to do any DDL either in test nor in prod. The dab stuff does all the DDL work. Sure it is an added chore, but after tracking down, a few times, tables that were dropped inadvertently by users (their tool did it by itself) we now use the following policy: Every application has two user id's: Owner, with password known only to the DBA group. User with rights for select, insert, update, delete ONLY. It works. Yechiel Adar Mehish ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 7:54 PM > Lisa, > There is only so much you can control via a model, > since it remains a process away from the DB, and > cannot be enforced via privileges, etc. So, we are > always in the hands of Dom Phoc (and their siblings), > who can do "stuff" even in the production database > with SQLPLus/TOAD/... Under this schenario, do you > sleep well at night? > > So, we said lets work with our Dom Phoc's. On > production databases, we will STRIP them off of the > Oracle database passwords. No password, no change. > ENFORCED! Now, I can sleep well at night. > > How? Not via models. Via a solution involving the > following, and it seems to be working for us well: > ActiveDesigner/ActiveChangeManager/ActiveCompare/A+ > White Paper: > http://www.iraje.com/docs/ActiveSecureDesigner.htm > > Take charge of the "Dom Phocs" in your org! > > Keith > > > > > > > To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 16:06:00 -0500 > > > > > > Well, for one thing, if your developer, Dom Phoc, > starts changing crap > in > your database (as has happened to me in the past) a > compare to the dev > model > would be great because my development changes would be > in the model, > not in > the test or production databases. In that specific > case I had to TRUST > him > (what? trust him after what he just did?) to change > everything back, > or > restore from a backup, which would have been very time > consuming. > > I was one large ball of raging hormones that day and I > took it all out > on > him. We don't work on the same projects anymore. > > Lisa Koivu > Oracle Database Administrator > Fairfield Resorts, Inc. > 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway > Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Keith Peterson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 5:50 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: ERD generation tool - Active > Comparisons > > > > Am I speaking to the wind .... > > > > For Compares, why would you compare the MODEL with > the > > DATABASE...like going from US to London via Tokyo... > > ... and you get to pay more, like... you pay not for > > distance, but for "time in the air"... If a tool > takes > > longer to do something, makes more mistakes, is > bumpy > > and complex... you get to pay more. > > > > For compares, someone tell me what beats > > ActiveCompare: > > http://www.iraje.com/compare-diff.htm > > > > http://www.iraje.com/ActiveCompare_viewlet.html > > > > > > ...and I will switch my tool. > > > > Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Keith Peterson INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
